Episode 139 Transcript

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You're listening to the Fierce Fatty Podcast episode 139. Kourtney Kardashian Britney Spears thin celebs being anti-fat and pro-diet fun. Let's do it.

Hello and welcome. I'm your host Vinnie worlds. Pronouns they them. And I'm a civil Santa that your hand today to talk about subtle Loughborough Tsar's. I mean, I do like a little bit of celebrity gossip from from now now and again from time to time. And I thought that you might as well and actually this week, there seems to be a couple of instances of celebrities being giant dabblings beg donuts. girthy sausages. That's what these celebrities have been. And we're talking about Kourtney Kardashian and Britney Spears. Today, they have been doing some eye ball rolling stuff I tried. I tried to take a picture. So before the show before I start recording, I take some pictures for the marketing materials for the podcast. And I was like, Okay, I'm gonna do a rolling rolling my eyes picture it's impossible to do your own rolling my eyes, but I don't know everything but it mustn't be impossible, but it's impossible for me to do it for to translate on the screen. It just looks like I'm just looking at something that's above me. Or that I don't know if I'm doing my head in the wrong way. I don't know. But that's not the picture that we're gonna use it we're gonna do something else. Anyway, so I had a few people tagged me in things saying oh, look at this. And the first one is we're going to talk about Kourtney Kardashian. But you know, I was thinking about this this whole goop push which is Courtney Kardashians wellness company, which is kind of like goop and goop is like goop is what Gwyneth Paltrow knows company. And Kourtney Kardashian is in the press because she's promoting lemme, which is a gummy company. And I mean, all of these names. And all of these companies really are based on fat, disgust, fear of fat, health ism, orthorexia promotion. Woowoo anti science bullshit. I just did a quick Google before we just started here. I was like, wonder if Gwyneth Paltrow has ever done anything fat phobic, and I just just googled Gwyneth Paltrow, fat phobia. And, of course she has recently, if you watch RuPaul drag race, you might have not noticed Ross Matthews, which is one of the people on the panels was kind of a chubby guy. I wouldn't say he was like, I don't know. I guess he would probably say that he was fat. But you know, you weren't, he wasn't. Anyway. He's kind of like a small, a smaller fat guy. That's what I'm trying to say. He's a smaller fat guy. And Gwyneth Paltrow recently shamed him. But he doesn't tell the story like that. She She intervened on his disgusting body, pointed at his belly and said, What's going on here? I love you get it together. And so then he was like, Well, that was it. That was that was my final motivation. So he's finally been shamed by Gwyneth Paltrow. And he is now the spokesperson for Jenny Craig, or as North Americans call it, Craig. And he's temporarily lost some weight.

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And he says the weight was such a shameful issue for me. I'm so happy to be rid of it. And it makes me so sad for Ross Matthews because he is probably going to be a higher way in the following years, right as we know. So we're all average. I see a celebrity or anyone being like, Oh, I'm so happy to be free of this thing that was so shameful for me like Ross. Matthew says, I'm just like, My heart aches for them because I know that they're gonna probably look back on this time and be like, Oh, look at me. I was so proud. And now look at me now I'm so I'm such a failure, I put weight back on and it doesn't need to be like that. Because when you didn't have to lose weight in the first place, and to gaining weight is not your fault, because we know diets don't work. Anyway, so all of this, you know, the wellness, the whole wellness thing is just red flag, red flag after red flag. And anyone talking about wellness? I'm really like, What do you mean by wellness? Do you mean? Well, like we spoke about on the podcast a couple of podcasts ago, putting herbs, herbs up your edge? Yeah, herbs. evag. Don't be fat. Don't eat anything. And then you'll be cool. Yeah, so Kourtney Kardashian, which is the oldest sister of the Kardashian family. I've never watched a Kardashian show or anything. So I'm only familiar with them in regards to just seeing media about them. And so I don't I've never watched any episodes of but I bet you people who were who are avid fans have probably got lots of instances to share where the family have been fat phobic. But Kourtney Kardashian has really stepped up the nonsense and has been restricting her kids food intake. And it's horrifying. So there's a Wall Street Journal article, and it's behind a paywall. I've got a link in the show notes so you can read it

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behind the paywall.

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If you don't want to subscribe to Wall Street Street Journal, so here's a little tip for you if you ever want to read something that's behind a paywall, often if it's a you know, somewhere for like the Wall Street Journal or something like that, you can Google the title and a lot of times, totally separate websites will just copy and paste the article into the onto their website to see if they can get clicks from that and you can read it there for free. Not always also another method is the Wayback Machine. the Wayback Machine is a website that makes you be able to see what a website was doing on a certain day and what what a webpage was doing. And so if someone edited something, you can go back and look at the Wayback Machine and see what was there before it was edited. And this, it doesn't always work. It didn't work for this or had to get it somewhere else. Anyway, I've done that work for you go to the show notes facebook.com forward slash 139. And it will it links to that article. But let's go to this first article, which is Kourtney Kardashian has been accused of projecting an quote obsessive and quote unhealthy relationship with food onto her kids ever after revealing what she restricts them from having in a controversial interview. And so this is a this is a roundup from BuzzFeed on the interview in Wall Street Journal and it's so let's do some quotes from it. If there's one thing that sets Kourtney Kardashian Barker, apart from her famous sisters, it's her preoccupation with health, wellness and nutrition. So she married blink 182 drummer Travis Barker and so that's where the Barker comes from. While all the car Jenner's are suddenly dedicated to healthy eating, the others haven't gone quite as far as the elders of the group in their quest for an organic lifestyle. Courtney is meat free and follows a mostly vegan diet and she has tried everything from keto to intermittent fasting over the years. She has also been public about her decision to cut out gluten and dairy and sugar from her and her children's lives. I went and read the article as well. I'm going to share bits from that about her decision to begin fostering eating disorders disordered eating with our guests. The star is mum to 12 year old Mason 10 year old Penelope and seven year old rain, all of whom she shares with her ex Scott Dezik Disick die sick Disick back Back in 2019 Courtney's aversion to sugar became a central storyline in her family's reality show after she and her sister Kim Kardashian wanted to throw a joint birthday party for their daughters. Kim's oldest child north and her cousin Penelope wanted a Candyland themed party and Kim was left stunned when Courtney didn't want there to be any, quote, junk food at the event, and I've got a picture of his kids and they're all dressed up in like beautiful rainbow colors and Penelope which is Courtney's child is dressed with like lollipops on her dress and candies in wrappers. And nos has got like jelly bean prints. And it's just sucks. So fun. I mean, imagine if you had that party as a kid. But way Courtney didn't want them to have that party even though their own party. Kim said at the time, Courtney has this vision of no sugar or no disgusting chemicals in candy. It's like a completely sugar free gluten free party free fun free. So because Courtney has decided that it just doesn't make sense. And it really wasn't the theme of what North and Penelope wanted for their birthday. Yeah, I mean, hello, Thanks for ruining the party. But Courtney did not back down and argued I can't believe that Kim isn't willing to compromise at all, and that she doesn't feel guilty about giving not only her kids and my kids, but all of these kids that are coming out to party so much junk, and candy. It's such a dated fight vibe to be like that. And when I when I read heard that, like it's such a dated vibe to be like that. I thought that was really interesting. Because a lot of people are like, Oh, well, we're so we're so good with nutritional science. Now. Now we know like, that.

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We're eating these things that are terrible for us. And when we're when, you know, previously, we just didn't know. And she says, I'm going to read it out and a little bit. She says, you know, my, my my parents felt as terrible food. And I think that's a theme of a lot of these wellness communities is that now we have the science we can do better and feed our kids air and dust so that they are their healthiest selves. But the reality is this rhetoric goes back hundreds of years. And these ideas about sugar and chemicals and palatable foods being bad is really really well established in our culture. And it's not anything new. Like the dated vibe is not allowing your kids to have a fucking birthday party with candy. Can you imagine that? Imagine if you were invited to a birthday party now. And the theme was Candyland and you're like folk you're probably going to be some coke candy then I'm gonna just you know eat some nice candy and you turn up and Kourtney Kardashian is running it and and she's all about she finds candy that is not candy and has nothing in it. She talks about these candies that she finds which is like you know not candy. You know, unhealthy versions of candy be so devastating, right and imagine if you were a kid and you've got your friends from the neighborhood covered around you like a fucking candy by a blimp and that they turn up and it's like, oh, here's some frozen grapes. Grapes like candy of the fruit wild. The kids are gonna be like, What the fuck? Give us some give us a good stuff. We're not here for your frozen grapes. Thank you. Yeah, okay, so continuing. She ended at a time there's just better solutions to things instead of your dated candy that's literally food coloring that gives people diseases. Food coloring does not give people diseases. In the in the wellness communities, we've seen people say that it gives you cancer, that it causes blood clots that it causes ad haich D

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I don't just an FYI. It doesn't we don't have any evidence to support that stuff. If you're really interested in unlearning that type of stuff around like chemical halls and food coloring and preferences for, quote, natural food coloring and all that type of stuff go to food science babe on Instagram or Tiktok. And she is a food scientist, and she debunks all of this stuff. And it's all just fear mongering. So just people not understanding food and being frightened by things like GMO, or you know, preferences for organic and thinking that sugar is basically what we heard in another episode, basically, a very harmful drug. And it's not. So continuing. And this has been a common theme ever since in one viral moment from keeping up, Courtney sniffs a doughnut that she refuses to eat and says, I can't eat this, but how exciting it is to smell it. Like that Rudy hops back to all of those days of joy that I missed out on when I was in my dieting stuff, where it was like this huge temptation of this thing, but I was so like, disgusted at the thing that I was having a temptation around, which is when I say temptation, it's like a natural thing. Of course, I was denying myself it just ruins it just ruins so many different things. Like she could have just had that donor and just been like, oh, yeah, that's nice. Whatever. No big deal, you know. Continuing the mindset has also carried over to the family's new reality show The Kardashians. When Season One launched earlier this year, a major storyline followed Courtney and her husband Travis on an extreme fast the IRA or your verdict cleanse saw the couple abstain from sex, caffeine, alcohol, and sugar.

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Yeah, no, we don't. By the way, we don't need to do cleanses. We have a liver and kidneys are beautiful bodies. Detox for us, right? We don't need to do these cleanses. I mean, what why why why? Why did? Why? Sex, caffeine, alcohol and sugar. What? Okay, well, what's the point of being alive you know, can I make

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as a result, Kardashian fans are understandably well aware of Courtney's extreme dietary choices, but a new interview has sparked backlash after her comments left readers concerned that she is projecting an unhealthy relationship with food on to her three children. I mean, shit. Why hasn't this come up already? Of course she is. Even before this interview came out where she's, you know, she talks about what what she says. If you're doing those things, your kids are seeing it right. It's like, oh, you know, why are you You know, why are you drinking that? Why you're not eating that? Why you? Why are you exercising every single day? Or why are you You know, all of this type of stuff. You kids are gonna say yeah, there's no way that her kids have never been exposed to this shit already. Yeah, so So in this Wall Street Journal article. She's She's selling her new vitamins. And so she says that she shared her pride her oldest son saying that people who let him eat junk food are bad. So it starts off as she's saying I'm really proud of my my son

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he kind of confessed to me that he was being tempted with these smoothies devil foods. So it quote from Wall Street Journal article when I had my son is when I really started my wellness journey. He's very smart. He'll tell me a person was bad because they let me have and then she says something that is food which is a normal food that people eat. How bad they're so terrible. So concerning let me let me pull from the Wall Street Journal article in recent years. She says that she's taken up to 30 supplements a day. And she says, quote, I know who Oh, I mean, we don't often. We don't need to take supplements like people like the supplement industry is just like fuck yeah, we're just gonna get people to take the supplements that like don't need and supplements at a way higher rate that we need. And some sometimes you do like I take vitamin D, because my doctor said I was low in the past I've taken iron because my doctor said I was low. If my doctor said, Hey, take her around whatever vitamin or supplement or whatever, I'd go do it. Or if someone's just like, you know, I just take one of those, you know, one day multivitamin thing. You know, whatever is it's probably not going to hurt you. I don't know, maybe it maybe. Anyway, it's not gonna hurt. Yeah. But I mean, 30 supplements a day that's really beginning to show something that's quite excessive. And the more I read this and more that I look into his I'm like, okay, so it sounds like there's probably orthorexia going on there. And orthorexia being, I think, is like one of the newest eating disorders, it's been added to it even in the DSM. Let me see. Let me see. DSM five orthorexia. Okay, it's not there we go. It's not included in the DSM five. It is still recognized by many mental health professionals, and eating disorder experts. Basically, it's an obsession with being healthy eating healthy. orthorexia is an eating disorder characterized by having an unsafe obsession with healthy food and obsession with healthy dieting and consuming only pure foods. Or clean eating becomes deeply rooted in the individual's way of thinking to the point that it interferes with their daily life. So yeah. And we've already seen that there's some things here that's showing that it interferes with her daily life. Okay, so continuing when she was developing her own brand, she made it a priority to use non GMO. There is nothing wrong with genetically modified

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there is nothing wrong with GMOs, okay. There's no evidence to show that they're harmful. There's no evidence to show that non GMO foods are better. Yeah, vegan as a continuing so she made it a priority to use non GMO, vegan, gluten free gelatin free ingredients that don't include corn syrup, artificial colors, flavors, or sweeteners. And she had the formulas, muscle tested, muscle tested, you say? I've not heard of that No. and alternative medicine practice, okay, or red flags that aims to locate weaknesses in the body and to diagnose food allergies and other deficiencies on herself. muscle testing is a controversial is controversial in the medical community, which cites a lack of evidence of its efficacy. bloodwork is generally the best way to assess nutrients assess nutrient status, says Katie Kasane, a Colorado based registered dietitian and nutritionist. So what they do this muscle testing they put the food item in your hand and this person will be like, No, this one isn't the This one's not working for you because it's got an artificial ingredient into it. And then Kourtney Kardashian says, oh my goodness, no one no one in my family can can eat this thing anymore because I held it in my hand and someone who is making lots of money from me is telling me that I it doesn't work. It's there's no good on my muscles. It's just Oh my goodness, it's so silly. Okay, so lemme is Courtney second brand in the lifestyle category. In 2019. She launched a website called push that publishes advice on fitness and nutrition as well as product recommendations. I do not want to be getting any product recommendations or nutrition fitness advice from push or goop or any type of wellness place that I know is anti fat and pro diet. Yes, so the interviewer asked her was wellness part of your life when you're growing up? She says it was the 80s we had really unhealthy food in our house in our house. And then she lives just list out these unhealthy, quote unhealthy foods. And I'm like, um, that just, that is just food, you know, that's just food that the kids and families eat. You know, she's just really she's positioning these very normal things as unhealthy, like, oh my god, basically, it was the A's and we were wild in the A's, we just ate anything, you know. The interviewer asks, What's the most extreme thing you've done on your wellness journey, and she said, It's the, that cleanse that we mentioned again, which is what she said she's going to do again. And also, we mentioned that no caffeine, no sex, all that type of stuff. And also you've got to eat, really clean this really clean, strict diet and do it for five days. And so you know, all of this clean eating is so manifestation of white supremacy culture, really, the Clean Eating foods are just really white, or foods that have been co opted and stolen from other cultures, whitewashed and then served up these these mystical foods that will cure all illnesses, stripping them away from the ways that they've been used within cultures where they're from. And there's nothing cleaner or dirty or about any food. And you know, like the, the, I don't know, if you you've you've seen the Dirty Dozen, there's this this thing, which is people coming up with 12 fruits and vegetables that are called the Dirty Dozen, the worst that we we have to have as organic because the pesticides are so awful, that you shouldn't eat them. It's all made up. It's all bullshit, by the way organic food uses pesticides. Like

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anyway, want to know more about that go to food science, babe. She'll talk to you about that. Okay, so the interviewer will ask also anyone who influenced you? And she says, Yes, when I had my kids, I started taking it more seriously that I find that interesting because I'm often having children being pregnant. Being postpartum is a big trigger for body image issues. Right? And so we see that a lot of post pregnancy really wanting to be the person that they were before. And so Nicole, Richie steps in your car. I happened to mention her last week on the podcast, sidekick to Paris Hilton, Paris Hilton, who famously wore the t shirt that says said stop being poor. And ironically, I mean, it's kind of funny if you were poor or something and you're wearing it like ironically or something I still it's fucked up. But a Paris Hilton, who is rich from being born into a into a rich family. Anyway, Nicole Richie parasitism sidekick really helped. She was one of my only friends who had kids before I did. She was like, you have to buy this bug, super baby third, and it was all about making your own baby food. It taught me about organic products. And honestly, it changed my life on how I started eating and eating. And then it was a snowball effect. You can't unlearn inflammation, right. By the time I was pregnant with Penelope, I was fully in it and doing different kinds of cleanses. I did a blah, blah, blah cleanse and all these different things I was getting into really changed my life. Something that i i I see often and you'll probably see this a lot is when people are talking about how they have an eating disorder or they engage in disordered eating, but they just want to pass it off as a normal lifestyle choice. A normal like I am just trying to be healthy. They will sprinkle in times when they have been, quote, bad to illustrate that. It's all about balance. And that line. It's all about everything in moderation. It's all about balance. Sometimes, you know, I look at pictures of sugar, so you know, sometimes I'm really bad. Yeah, so she says it's definitely about moderation and being kind to yourself. If I'm going to Cabo I'm definitely drinking margaritas and having chips and chips and guac guacamole is all about the back Allen's as, I'm Mike Ranney. Really, what are the chances those margaritas are zero sugar. So again, no carb, no gluten, no GMO, no lalalalalala, etc, etc. Same with the chips and guacamole. How many chips? Is she in? Probably like, you know, I don't know. Not a lot and she's probably doing that only in Cabo. Like, why is it that we need to say, the only time I'm allowed to have a margarita and have chips and guacamole, which is just a normal part of a diet? Is when I'm on vacation? I'm so balanced. So balanced. Yeah, no, no. Yes, so, so the most egregious thing is the most egregious thing is what she is doing with her children. Okay. So this is like the last questions is the interviewer, so thinking of a childhood of these foods that she says are unhealthy? Do you think your kids are deprived of something by not letting them have it? The answer is, yes. Absolutely. My kids are deprived when I tell them that they are not allowed to eat foods ever. She responds that was my response. She responds today. I was having my one on one time with my son, Mason, and he said, Mum, I need McDonald's french fries. Today, please. That I'm putting I'm putting. I don't know if he said it like that. Ma'am. I need please, mum. I need McDonald's french fries today. poorly.

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It's been a year since I've had it. He says her response was was I was like, today's not the day. Sorry. The kid hasn't had French fries in a year. He says please, I need french fries today. Today's not the day sorry. And she wasn't doing it in an intuitive eating type of way. Because you know, if you are if you are teaching your kids intuitive eating, you control what and when and where. And, and so you might be saying today's not the day and saying french fries. Sounds delicious. I've already made dinner for tonight. But how about on Tuesday, we stopped by McDonald's. And we did it. You know? And be like, Oh, what's your favorite thing at McDonald's? She wasn't saying it like that. She was saying, you've gone a year without french french fries, motherfucker. You ain't you ain't gonna break that today. Because she sees McDonald's chips as something bad. What is that going to do to that poor sweet boy? What did that type of stuff do to you? Because I know a lot of people listened to the show a lot of people who struggle with with this love their stuff had parents who did some type of version of this. Now this is extreme. She's not letting her kids eat. Sugar, gluten, dairy, french fries, candy, the list goes on. What is that going to do? And we know that there's so many different things that could happen from that. He's been taught disordered eating. He's been primed to develop an eating disorder if he already hasn't. He's learning what's good and bad. He's told his mum, he's confessing to his mom. Who is deciding what is good and bad. Someone tried to give me something bad today mummy. And then the next you know, the next thing she talks about him he's asking for some fries, not today. And if he's, you know, if he is asking for some fries, I want to know, you know, how much shame is he currently feeling around food? If he knows that this food is bad? And he's saying to his mum, oh, I'm telling you what happened because I want to be, you know, I want you to love me and be proud of me. And then he's then confessing that he needs some fries. How much did it take for him to get there? How much shame is he already feeling by asking that question when he knows his mom is gonna say no. And she says know, what is that they're going to do? What happens when he's with other people with other families? Does he then be able to access fries? Or is his mum monitoring him? And she says as well that they don't eat out very often, because she wants to control what the family's diet is. And so what she says about the other article about how she stopped her kids from eating gluten and dairy, and so she says, it wasn't a necessity, the way it is for many people. So she's she's saying it's not because we had some type of allergy or something. And she says, I kept battling with myself back and forth. Like, why am I doing this diet, I've always felt fine before when eating dairy and gluten, but I do believe that we only have one life to live and I would like to live it feeling my best. And so she says, I've always felt fine eating dairy and gluten. And so it's, it sounds like, you know, maybe like an ED voice or, or the rational side of her brain is like, why would we need to do that? Everyone's fine having dairy and gluten. But then that, that shaming that, that diet culture, that fat phobia that that pressure took over? And she says no, that fear, what she, what she's feeling of what could happen to her kids, if, if they eat dairy and gluten. And she says, I've noticed a great positive change in behavior with my children when we stick to a gluten free and dairy free diet. Yeah. And you know what I think a lot of people do see, when they when they are

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changing diets, because they believe that one thing is better than other, the other versus like, say if you the doctor said, Oh, it sounds like your kids are allergic to milk and you believe Okay, well, let's see how it goes. Versus Oh, I think milk is, you know, the juice of the devil. Then if they stopped drinking milk, and you're like, Oh, my God, it's a miracle. You know, little Timmy is no longer speaking in tongues, and now he's a normal boy. You know? So, it's often that people see that, you know, same with with sugar. Studies have shown that parents who think that, that sugar, they who observe that should that sugar God, the children, the children on sugar, we'll just call them triggers. When their triggers, the children have had sugar. They observe them being more hyperactive, but they aren't actually more hyperactive. Or they say they've been told that they've been given sugar. And though parents were like, Yeah, I know, they've been given sugar. Look at them, they've gone wild. And they hadn't been given sugar at all. So it's, I think a lot of it to do with our perception. And as well, the way that we talk about sugar like you're getting this thing that's so fucking special, and it's gonna make you mad and, and it's gonna, you're going to just be off the walls, if you have sugar. And then the kid is going to be like, I'm having this thing. That's just and then do we think that they're going to be you know, bouncing off the walls? Probably if they're getting this secret drug, you know? Yeah, so she says it's been an adjustment for her kids. But some meals are easier than others. She talks about what they eat and what she eats. It's nothing was not not and it's not nothing, they eat food, but it's clearly disordered. And she says we will eat this especially if I'm trying to get bikini ready. When is she not trying to get bikini ready Yeah, and again, she ends it with of course, we pick our battles, and I do let the kids have popcorn at the movies and at Sureau Disneyland there's that thing like his moderation. And what does that look like of you know, oh, you can have one kids popcorn thing between all of you but but no, no, no butter on it. And and make sure that this and you're in but you're not allowed anything else and and a cero at Disneyland like surely Disneyland is meant to be like a place where you have loads of fun and joy like are they having an eight hour Disneyland? Are they having food? They're probably not they've been allowed to cero you know, maybe that was one time and, you know, in 2001 they're allowed to Chiro and 2001 was like, well More than 20 years ago, so it didn't make sense. But time and time is weird, right? You're like, well, you know, 2002 2020, you know, which was, you know, 22,000, which was 10 years ago, but it's not, it's 22 years ago. Anyway, so that's fun. That's Kourtney Kardashian. What do we think is gonna happen with the kids? I think okay, so if we think about everyone, you know, that's been raised by a parent like this, and I think this is kind of extreme. I don't, I mean, and you've got the other complication of them being in the public eye. And the oldest kid there he was born on telly, right? I know this because of the research I've been doing. I care much about like Kardashians now. And that is hard. Can you imagine? Can you imagine if you grew up on telly to like the most famous family in the world? Ah, that would be mortar fire Yang. If I had to look back at me. You know, oh, you'd be like, Oh, God. Anyway, so this complicated? And so what do I reckon that's going to happen to the kids? disordered eating? Well, they've been taught disordered eating, can it go into a full blown eating disorder or multiple eating disorders? Sure. They're going to be living in a ton of shame and guilt.

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They could really deeply believe this stuff, internalize this stuff, and continue on the legacy. They could have kids and do the same. They could discover anti diet and fat positivity and be like, Mum, you really fucked up and in 20 years time courtly being like Courtney's kids, being on Oprah Winfrey bring saying, you know, my mum fucked me up because of the way that she made me. Maybe it doesn't affect them. Maybe they have other influences in their lives where they're able to, you know, like Kim Kim standing up saying that that's weird. Let the kids have a fucking birthday party. Maybe they have influences that are like this is here come around aunties and have some food. But then maybe. Maybe it was Kim that gave the son quote, bad food and he was dubbing on Kim. Mm hmm. Yeah. Cuz she says she says as well in any articles, she's anti social. She doesn't see a lot of people. People should just see his family. So it's probably one of the family members who tried to give them food. That would be me, wandering me. I'm like, come round my house. She would go to McDonald's. And let's go to the movies and let's do this and, you know, then they're probably like pebbling Vinnie gave me McDonald's and then I'll be banned from seeing the kids. Yeah, fun. So, all right. So Britney Spears, Britney Spears has done something. She made a post. This is what it says. This is on Instagram. I found this so she's it's a quote, quote image. I found there was only one way to look thin. Hang out with fat people. Have Britney, I like Britney. I've always kind of I've always just thought, you know, she says, you know, cheesy, cheesy, cheesy queen, you know? She seems kind of funny. And she's got some good tunes, you know? And she's gone through this terrible experience. She's obviously got a lot of mental health struggles. So I have a soft spot in my heart for Britney. And the caption that goes with it. I wish I could have chosen the nannies for my children, my dancers. I mean, if I had Christina Aguilera as dancers, I would have looked extremely small. I mean, why not talk about it? Don't you think my confidence would have been a bit better if I could choose where I lived eight, whom I was on the phone dated and who was on stage with me. It's hard sometimes. Now I see how much of my womanhood was stripped away at that time and every person sat back and didn't say a thing. Anyways, I will be here talking about things people never talk about. I wrote I wrote I wrote in the comments. I was tagged in this post. In the comments everyone is one person who's doing claps Gretchen Rossi, whoever that is, um, but then the rest of them. Damn Whoa, Queen. No. Yeah, no. Whoop. This is far from cool Britt. Someone says Christine is backup dancers sing this like and that's got the eyes emoji emoji. Someone's I'm pleased delete this. Someone else says love when my skinnier friends only hang out with me to feel skinny. So fun. Super cool. Yes, that is so true, right? That when you're fat, and you have thin friends, you know, they are using you, you know, when we're younger, hopefully you don't have these friends now. I don't have these friends now. But when you're younger, when you've got shitty friends, you know, they are using you and looking at your body being like they make me look good. I'm not as fat as them. At least I'm not as ugly as them. I used to always be hanging out with I always would always have like a thin sidekick. And that thin sidekick would always get the boys. And I'd be like the funny one who would, you know, be like, Oh, my friend fancies you knowing there was no chance in hell any of the boys will talk to you would be interested in me because I have the thin friend next to me. And that really boosted their confidence, my thin friends, right? I recognize this and I was like, Well, fuck if I can't get them by

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that stuff. I'm just gonna have to start sucking some decks, you know. And I'm just gonna have to have to start being super sloppy. Because my friend Jenny Rogowski, she didn't want to kiss boys. She wasn't interested. She just wanted to be boyfriends. And I was like, well, I'll fucking kiss. Yeah. And so be with me. And so I would, I would be who's so sad so sad. But anyway, blobby Bloop, bloop. Is we know, fat people know that thin people are looking at us saying, well, thank Fuck, I don't look like her. Thank fuck, I don't like them. At least I'm not as fat as him. So that was two days ago. And then Brittany made another post talking about why she spoke about it. And it's kind of like, I think she views it as a, an apology post, but it's not really. So she talks about the post, by no means Was I being critical of Christina's beautiful body. It is what it is. Well, I don't think she was being critical of Christina's body. She was talking shit about her dancers. She's saying that her dancers were, if I hadn't had Christina's backup dancers, then I wouldn't look very, I would have looked very, very thin, is what she said. Right, saying that her Christina's dancers were fat, and made Christina look thin. Ah, maybe when she wasn't thin. So maybe she was kind of in a way? Well, I mean, she's saying that she wasn't but you know, Christina unfollowed. Britney. So Christina, obviously, it was like, I don't think so. Brittany says, I flew to see her show once. And the main thing I noticed was a difference of people on stage by no means that I even mentioned Christina, look at my post. I was inspired by her show. And she's a beautiful woman of power. Thank you, Christina, for inspiring me to be honest. I'm not trying to be critical of anybody. What I posted is a projection of the insecurities I deal with all the time as a result of how many of how my parents and the media have treated me. I would never intentionally body shame anybody because I know what it feels like. I struggle with this because of how I feel about myself, not because of how I hate how anybody looks. I feel like my family knew I was insecure. And people were trying to purposefully feed into this insecurity by not not letting me have a choice in the people who were on stage with me. I appreciate you all for being understanding with me as I figure out this new life I'm living yeah, so I don't think like I don't think Britney is intentionally being like, hung on to fuck with the face day. But also Britney is one struggling with mental health, too is had a hard time of it. And also the same as a lot of people living in a society that hates fatness is pro diet. And she's a public figure. Right. But also that doesn't mean that it's okay for her to be fat shaming. I mean, actually, there's no there's no there's no if ands or buts of this she she was saying, if I want to look thin, I need to hang out the phase because they met me better because they are less attractive. Right? Well then she wasn't saying they're less attractive. They are just they're fat. better, right? Like, I don't think it's okay. But I think this is, this is, I think just the undercurrent of a lot of celebrity culture, a lot of the I'm selling shit your tea pills and then getting performance reading which means that they need to lose weight and you know, like, like Beyonce, love Beyonce. And I was so disappointed in what I saw, I watched a documentary on Coachella. And she was saying about everything that she did for Coachella. And it was basically like, eat no food and work out loads and I was like, No, Brittany, you need to be able to you need to eat food, you will you were doing this athletic performance, which is hours long. You need to you need food you need for your food anyway. And I think that that is just so normal. And also it's not okay, and I think celebrities have somewhat of a duty to try and unlearn this stuff. And I think most of them, a lot of them, not a lot not all of them but a lot of them keep that stuff to themselves of up the ante fatness, but a lot are working on it like like, you know, in the same breath. Beyonce was saying that about her Coachella performance, but then she also had fat dancers. When I was watching, because I watched the performance first and then watch the documentary I watched him perform was when I was like,

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there was like, I think about three or four fat black dancers. Now that was small fat, but still there was that representation there. And it was like an amazing for them and Brittany's talking about having to be having to lose weight by not eating anything before her her shows. And she was she didn't say I'm not eating anything. She was like, I'm eating like, you know exactly what Kourtney Kardashian was saying like, you know, chemical free, which is I'm just like, ah, if you really want to be chemical free, you're gonna have to stop breathing because oxygen. Oxygen is a chemical. Everything is a camera. Oh, lordy, lordy, lordy. Yeah, so that's fun. Um, I tell you who celebrity is gray. Matt McGorry Matt McGorry. John Bennett in Orange is the New Black Asha in How to Get Away with Murder. And most recently, he was in archive at one. And he recently shared my what he followed me a couple of years back and I was just like Karima pence. And then he has shared my stuff a few times. And yeah, he's fat positive. He is He, he's just he's just, he's, he's great. I want I'm gonna love him. And he has gone through his own journey of being a personal trainer, being a bodybuilder, being a Hollywood actor, where he talks about he wrote a medium Medium post where he talks about the length of his disordered eating to get ready for being shirtless in Orange is the New Black. And basically doing the same things that a bodybuilder would do not drinking water to become dehydrated. So his muscles popped more and things like that. And then he stopped doing that stuff. And now he is I think it would describe himself either himself as fat now. And his Medium post is like, you might have noticed that I've put on weight and it's it's really changed my health. And then I was like, oh, no, and he says, my health is much better now. And I'm like, Yeah, this mat and it goes on is great. So if you want to know, you know, get more male body positivity, fat positive, do all that type of stuff. And he's he's, he's radical, right? He's not the soft and fluffy stuff. He's, you know, abolitionist and all that type of stuff. So yeah, there's there's a Hollywood celebrity that is still in it. Right? And if we think about what's his name, Brendan Fraser, and his comeback and it's just so exciting that and it's so heartwarming to see he's back in action. And he's he's Brendan Fraser, star of the mummy. You know, he was a Hollywood hunk. Now 20 years ago. He is a fatter person. And and people already got behind him. And I think that we're we're hungry to see that type of stuff. But unfortunately, he is starring in this movie that I mentioned last week, the whale and and that's not okay. It's fucked up. It's fucked up. I mean, I've read some bits about so the whale start is added as a play. I've read I've read snippets about, like, what was in the play? It's it's not okay. The movies not out yet. But yeah. You know, it's kind of like one step forward and 10 steps back with. We have all aware we're being we're being we're including a fat celebrity, you know, which was so inclusive and kind of, but we're casting him at him in a role where we dehumanize him, and more importantly, he's wearing a fat suit because he plays someone who is 600 pounds a super fat person. We are dehumanizing super fat people. And I want to read a little excerpt from so comfy fat.

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Wrote comfy fat on the Instagrams, J A pillow. They are trans non binary use they them pronouns. I'm just going to read this a bit from this piece that they wrote on their website. I'll link to it in the show notes so you can read the whole thing. So Jay writes a stockpile of points against the fat phobic film the well. I'm just gonna read some snippets here about the film. It is in a wildly unwelcome yet unsurprising turn of events. Another one of those fat phobic inspiration porn films is headed our way. If I think of this as me talking now, if I think about you know those inspiration porn films about fat people, I have loved them in the past example of one What's Eating Gilbert Grape? Or who's in Gilbert Gilbert great, whatever is Gilbert Grape, and the story is about the mama's so fat that the house is collapsing underneath her. I loved that film. And the reason I loved that film because I was a raging fat phobe, and I was like a lace I'm not as fat as anyway. The whale starring Brendan Fraser is about a, quote 600 pound recluse who hides away in his apartment eating himself to death. And, quote, the film has been adapted by Darren Aronofsky from a play written over a decade a decade ago that follows a depressed superfat gay man who was estranged from his daughter. The synopsis alludes to a transformational ending, you guessed it, life changing weight loss, the play states that the main character has one last chance at redemption, because him just being alive means he doesn't have redemption. Articles both of the film ends with a trans and transcendent epiphany, and a feeling of hope. This movie will create emotional discussions within within the fat community, inevitably triggering some of us but will also undoubtedly perpetuate the dehumanization of fat and especially super fat people. I'm writing this piece in preparation for the film debut because we as fat people cannot just avoid watching the movie and dodge the film, dodge the harm it will cause there'll be images and video disseminated through the internet with the intention of discussing disgusting the viewer. Scenes of fat bodies doing simple things like eating or moving will provide plenty of shock and gawk content, as I call it, we will be the subject to these triggering images and the insults that will soon be hauled our way in defense of this entertainment. Should we challenge it? Almost every fat person has a story about the time they were called Shamu. So shampoo, I think that's an that's an American thing reference, right? It's an American whale. I was called Mrs blobby. So that's a British reference of what I was called. Continuing fat bodies aren't here to be respectable fat bodies aren't here to be gawked at, we do not exist solely to inspire others of of what not to be. We don't exist to show you that our bodies can be overcome fat people are all each individual complex and dynamic human beings. And so then j goes on to this this great less talking about the reminders and challenges in critiquing the narratives in this movie. So go to the post to read all of them and so, you know, things like nothing is as simple as eating themselves to death. It is not a lack of discipline that would lead to someone to use food as a coping mechanism. To the point they make themselves sick. Their associate to economic, societal, systemic and chemical reasons this could happen eating disorders are real and yes, fat people can have them. Also have them and yes, fat people can have other forms of eating disorder that involve restriction and starvation. Yeah, so basically this film is about someone who has an eating disorder and mental health, mental health and mental health issues and, and it's kind of like, hey, look, look at this loser. It's so fucking ablest as well as fat phobic. So go check that out there just just ending with the the ending paragraph here.

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Does the thin majority thing that the root of our fatness is that we're not evolved enough to know how to be thin? They believe we lacked understanding and discipline how convenient deflect responsibility for the fat phobic ideals they themselves perpetuate what better way to inspire them to set the precedent that fat people are beyond repair. And then to tell a story of the miraculous epiphany that brought us super fat to the super thin light it's inspiring because it is a lie. Nothing is that simple and you can't help paint yourself thin thin people applaud themselves for believing this big fat lie about big fat people when they do it it only subjects them to being further duped by capitalism diet culture and up ultimately upholding white supremacy that doesn't serve anyone now does it remember my fat reader you are valued you are complex You are more beautiful writing from J I don't think I've ever read any J's any of Jays blog posts before just just the Instagrams. I saw that and I was like yes this is great. I want to I want to share it with you. And so good to read the whole thing and all of the juicy content in the middle there in the show notes but if you just want to go right now to go and see it without looking in the shownotes just go to comfy fat on Instagram, as you might be comfy comfy fat is their website. I think the I think it's comfy fat travels let me let me double check. Yeah, comfy fat travels. And they are dating Carissa and a king fat girl flow. I have one or caresses fanny packs. That says fat bitch. And it's my favorite. I'm so proud when I wear it. I don't have as much fat merch as possible. Because it is I've never been able to find a as we call it in England or bumbag because they're too small. But fat girl Flo has great shit and it's those if you've ever seen those fat bitch T shirts, that's Karissa. So power couple Am I right. Okay, well, I think that's everything for today. Yeah, so I hope Brittany feels better and unloads her fat phobia and I hope I hope Courtney does too. And and both of them stop. Stop their sharing of their bullshit. So specifically, I hope that Courtney's kids have some type of respite from what they're seeing. And you know, who knows I might be there might be there might be doing great, you know? Yeah, now. All right. Well, thanks for hanging out or Mitsui. Links for everything we talked about today. facebook.com forward slash 139. If you forget the episode number just go to for first party.com forward slash podcast and I'll see you in the next episode. Goodbye vis Valley and allies. See you in the next episode goodbye. Perfect.