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Welcome to the Fierce Fatty Podcast. I'm your host, Victoria Welsby and this is episode 102. Today, we're talking about hypnosis for weight loss and unlocking gender expectations from fatphobia.

You're listening to the Fierce Fatty Podcast. I'm Victoria Welsby TEDx speaker, bestselling author and fat activist. I have transformed my life from hating my body with desperately low self-esteem to being a courageous and confident fierce fatty who loves every inch of this jelly. Society teaches us living in a fat body is bad. But what if we spent less time, money, and energy on the pursuit of thinness and instead focused on the things that actually matter. Like if pineapple on pizza should be outlawed or if the mullet was the greatest haircut of the 20th century. So how do you stop a negative beliefs about your fat body controlling your life? It's the Fierce Fatty podcast. Let's begin.

Welcome to face fatty, the podcast. Thanks for being here. Hey, tell me tell me this answer. Riddle me this would you Riddle me this? How the fuck to fruit flies get into my apartment. I forgot to empty my organics bin a couple of days ago. I'm gonna just realized it. Now I need to go and I'm gonna go empty after the podcast. And I noticed that there were flies. It sealed so they can't get him. Or maybe that that's where they're coming from. Anyway, there's fruit flies. And you might like Well, obviously, Victoria, they fly through the window and they smell that they smell the banana peels or whatever. Listen up here. I live in. I'm on the fourth floor. Our windows are closed. And when they are open, there's a screen. So how are they getting in? There? My apartment is not medically sealed. But this seems like a mystery to me. This seems like a television show needs to be made. And then I was thinking you know what I listened to this podcast I like called this podcast will kill you. It's about like science and diseases. And it's really interesting. I was thinking, Oh, is it because fruit flies live on the fruit somehow. And then they're woken up by the smell of the fruit rotting from their fruit grave? And they're like these tiny? No, I think that's true. But that was a very I came up with. I said no, that's not true. So yeah, read me that tell me suggestions on a postcard, please. Where are these fruit flies coming from? Maybe fruit flies like dormant living in your house somewhere. And then they then they they they they awaken when they can smell rotting fruit or the like. I don't know. Maybe this is a mystery that we'll have to go to the grave with. Very sad.

Also, I thought I'd give you an update on me eating a mood. I was chatting to the there's a there's a there's a church at the end of my block that I walked past with Dougal in the morning and often I talked to the church caretaker Who is this like rock and roll guy in his 70s and he was giving me recommendations on places to get a better meat. And anyway, so I went and bought a cooked chicken because there's no way that I'm cooking a chicken like fuck that. No. So I will cook chicken and I bought potatoes to make roast potatoes and about Yorkshire puddings found them making a Sunday roast. And I just couldn't do it. I just was like, I don't want to eat the chicken. I've just my brain was like no, I don't want it is no and I was like come on try a little bit. And I was like no, I can't and so I went and gave it to my neighbor who was very pleased with it. He's like, Well, I'm gonna make you some Polish food in return. Yeah, so I'm gonna do it. But I've been whenever I've been out with friends, and they're eating me. I'm like the annoying person. I was like, give me a little bit so I've tried some like, I've tried some I've tried some ham a couple of times and then I tried to sharees Oh, piece of sharees Oh, I never liked that stuff.

Anyway, that the sausage stuff when I was even when I was a meat eater. And so I like ate it and I was like no, I don't mind that but I'd like for him. So yeah, anyway, little update there. My meat adventures I think he's gonna you know, it's gonna take a

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while but you know, whatever. Whatever. Sending out love to all the people out there who have conditions that are worsened by the colder weather. If you're in the northern hemisphere, I have eczema and whenever the cold hits it gets way worse. I've got on my hands. My ear canal, it's so fucking annoying on my scout my scouts been bleeding. Where's not, it's not been independently bleeding is being because I've been itching it. I need to go I need to go to the doctors to get like there's a scout Scout sentiment, I need to go get that. And I know a lot of people who have arthritis, it gets really bad right now. And ever any others? I bet you there's other conditions to like inflammatory conditions that probably get worse in the colder weather. So sending out love to you today if that's you, or if you just need love in general here he have my love. Have my love. They go in your brain. That's my love giving you a virtual hug. Did you like it? Was it good? Did you like that? You feel it. So I was watching watching the old Netflix last night. And I watched the Rachel Dolezal documentary that came out in 2018. I watch it then too, but it's called the racial divide. And I watched it again because I was like, I can't recall what that was about. But I remember it was about her. But I don't remember what like what they were saying.

Anyways, I watched it. And then I read, then I was like, Oh, really interested in this idea of transgender versus trans racialism and why trans racialism shouldn't be a thing in public policy, and how comparing the two can be harmful. So I read a few articles and one that was really good. By Boston review, dotnet is called Why We shouldn't compare transracial to transgender identities. Really, really interesting. I'll link to it in the show notes first five.com, forward slash one, zero to the show notes, basically. Because there's a lot of people who were like, white people who were like, What's wrong with being trans racial identifying as trans racial, and there, there's a lot of things, there's a lot, there's a lot of ways that that cause causes harm. And, and this article talks about that, and it talks about, you know, the idea that the race, race is a social construct, gender is a social construct. And so, if race and gender are social constructs, then what's the harm in just saying, Well, I've decided to switch to a different race or whatever. And talking about, you know, the, the, the, you know, the idea of when race was, quote, unquote, invented, basically, it was to make sure that white people got, you know, land rights, and they were categorized as the people, and then everyone else were the others.

And so it started out from remember on the top of my head as, as white people, and then because like when they did, census, and then also laws are brought into effect white people, and then they had people then they had slave, so they had enslaved people as as, if you're not white, then you're enslaved. And then they had mulatto, and then they had, and then they started bringing other things in, but White was always like, obviously, the, but that's, that's number one. That's the top. And so before that, there wasn't that categorization of race. And, and basically, the, the kind of thing is where the difference between race and gender they're two separate things. And race and gender, both are almost undefinable. Like, there's no way to say, Okay, this is 100% What a woman is,

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there are I can't remember what it what it was genes, or, or, or something, showing that someone who could appear to be a woman can have different sets of genes that say, Oh, this is a man and different sets of genes that say, Yeah, this is a woman and different sets of genes that say, Huh, but then that person feels like a woman presents like a woman has what society says his female genitalia, therefore it's a woman. But then, you know, there's other things that say, they're a man or we don't know, or what is a man, you know? And then with the same with race, there's no kind of one genetic thing that you can say, oh, that person is white, or not, that person is black, etc. But so now our society has said, Okay, we've decided that this is what it is to be a woman, this is what it is to be a man, this is what it is to be white, black, Asian, etc.

And so even though the these are social constructs, it's still important to recognize them in order to recognize privilege. And one of the examples I gave is the idea of residential schools, that First Nations children, the communities, the children were sent to up until 1996. So for 100 years, the children were sent to residential schools, schools, and and it was murdered, or their culture ripped from them. And in the in 2006, a, was it like 1.6 billion was set aside for reparations for those who attended residential school. And so in that example, it's important to recognize, okay, people who have this identity they are do reparations versus say, if someone came along and said, Hey, actually, I identify as being a member of this First Nations community, therefore, I am do those reparations when they're a white person, and you know, they've lived as a white person all their life. And so therefore, it wouldn't be appropriate to say yes, your do that too, because they haven't experienced that. And so the, the idea that that race is, decades and centuries of trauma piled on top of each other, and gender isn't the same.

Now, of course, there's sexism and, and the trauma from sexism is is definitely alive and present. But most people are brought up, or are birthed by a man and a woman. Right. And so, I am not passed down that interest, intergenerational trauma as being born a woman, because I have I had, I have a family with mixed genders, so it's totally different. Whereas black, indigenous people of color, have all of those centuries of trauma, which is still informing their experiences now, you know, still, it's still informing where they are in the world because of all of that history. And so, that's the kind of crux of that that piece is really interesting, go and go and read it, I'm probably doing an absolute butchering all of the cool things that they were saying in there, but go check it out. It's it's in the show notes. Really, really interesting. Lots of amazing points and, and saying how, how sure, if someone like, I should actually correct this, Rachel Dolezal change name to catchy MRA Dlo. And so, I'll refer to her as Diablo from now on.

So, you know, someone like Dlo we can't say, Listen, we've taken a vote in society, we've decided we don't like you identifying as trans racial is not cool. We can say that, but we can't like force that person, we can't force someone to identify in a way that we want them to. So people are allowed to identify how they want now, are we going to take that and put it into public policy? Well, probably not because the goodness that would come from doing that does not outweigh the harm that would be caused by doing that. Whereas something with like with with transgender and recognizing transgender identities, that does not harm sis people.

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It only does good for transgender and sis people alike. We're including that trans racial thing and is going to do harm to the community. The communities that we need to not be prepared perpetuating harm against gay black indigenous people of color. So you're gonna say it's pretty easy to the people who are who are trans racial is is you know, is white people who are like, Oh, I like the aesthetic or I just don't feel at home being seen as white for whatever reason and and actually, the aloe Her story is is a lot more complex than what we've seen before. But you know, It's kind of interesting how it's it seems to be all of the stories that I've seen since because there's other stories that have come out, or seem to white people doing this, right.

So, yeah. So anyway, moving on next, if you want to, have you noticed, we've got 202 episodes, and you've never heard an advert from some sponsor, Hey, maybe I should get an DVS sponsor, and I don't want to say their name because I don't want. I feel like I know it's not true. I know, it's not true that our phones are listening to us. I know how it works. And there was a really interesting thing about this, you know, how we think that our phones are listening to us. But actually, our adverts are based on our preferences and the preferences of people we spend time with. And so if you're spending time with loads of people who are dieters, or you, you know, go to your mom's house, and she uses a certain toothpaste brand, and has just bought it using a points card. So the points card is tracking what she's using, and you are the same location where your mom is, then you might get an advert for that toothpaste. And so anyway, I'm still I felt like I still feel someone neum is listening. Anyway, so what I'm saying is, we don't have any ads. I don't plan on getting ads.

And so if you want to support the show, and make a donation then a link to my PayPal will be in the show notes. If you want to keep this ad free new appreciate that. There's no ads that you have to skip through about how you need to buy a mattress, how you need to do this bullshit diets or whatever, then you can send me a little donation over PayPal, I want to Okay, so let's move on to what we got. In today's show. We're talking about hypnosis and unlocking gender expectations. So let's start with hip Gnosis for quote unquote, weight loss. Because I actually had a personal experience with his hypnosis that fucked me up and I asked others their experiences and I think it's important to talk about carbonate after 100 episodes why I mentioned it briefly before I think. But anyway, so hypnosis, what is it? It's kind of people have different different definitions. Let me read a little bit from Wikipedia, on hypnosis.

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Who's that says hypnosis is a human condition involved. Evolving focused attention, reduce peripheral awareness and an enhanced capacity to search to respond to suggestion. There are competing theories explaining hypnosis and related phenomenon phenomena. altered state theories see hypnosis as an altered state of mind or trance marked by a level of awareness, different from the ordinary state of consciousness. In contrast, non state theories see hypnosis as, as variously a type of placebo effect, a redefinition of an interaction with a therapist or a form of imaginative role enactment. during hypnosis, a person is said to have heightened focus and concentration and an increased response to suggestions.

Hypnosis usually begins with a hypnotic induction, involving a series of preliminary instructions and suggestions. The use of hypnosis for therapeutic purposes is referred to hypnotherapy for it referred to as hypnotherapy. What stage form is known as stage hypnosis. Hypnosis for pain management is likely to decrease acute and chronic pain in most individuals. Hypnosis based therapy for the management of IBS and menopause is supported by evidence. using hypnosis for treatment of other problems has produced mixed results such as with smoking cessation. The use of hypnosis as a form of therapy to retrieve and integrate early trauma is controversial within scientific mainstream research indicates that hypnotizing an individual may aid the formation of false memories. And that hypnosis does not help people recall events more accurately. Interesting yet because this whole thing, the whole false memories, scandal that was happening in one was it like maybe it was in the 90s in America, I'm asking you like you're gonna tell me. Tell me. I watched a documentary about it about how there was some therapist who therapists group of therapists who were, who were doing things to retrieve memories that were that were locked away or hidden and it was very controversial. And it turned out like strangely that almost all their clients had been involved in like cults or Extreme abuse at the hands of their caregivers or parents.

And these memories were unlocked through this therapist. These this group of therapists and why say that, but it turns out it was a lot of it was just bullshit and was kind of suggested and coerced. And some people even one person was was taken to almost convicted of child abuse and, and then the child was like, Oh, actually, no, the therapists implanted those memories. Anyway, off tangent, it was just really interesting. Yeah, and I'm not saying that any all memories that are remembered later on. It's just this this one story that I'm talking about. I don't know about this stuff enough to talk about it. It's just I found that an interesting documentary.

Alright, so what psychology positive psychology says in a nutshell is that hypnosis is this deep state of relaxation, focus and increase suggestibility, yet is not exceptional. We regularly find ourselves lost in thought adrift in music and immersed in work. The difference is that during hypnotherapy, a therapist guides the client to the new mental state. While we may have seen hypnotized volunteers at blank chickens on stage, their behavior results from peer pressure and compliance with authority rather than hypnotism. Hypnosis is not a means for taking over someone's mind and turning people into something that they are not. That's from positive psychology.com. So my experience with hypnotherapy for weight loss is that I was at the end of my dieting journey. Maybe like I had a couple of years left of trying to diet before I found

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fat positivity and Health at Every Size, all that type of stuff. And so I was doing everything I could to try him become sin. And I had heard about hypnotherapy and thought, yeah, why don't want, I'm gonna become so thin and so sexy, and it's gonna be amazing. And so I googled it, I found some clinic in Vancouver in some fancy building and met the hypnotherapists. And they seemed really happy for me to be there. And then I was taken to a room where this woman told me to lie on a couch. At this point, I've done like, lots of lots of therapy. So I was kind of, like, Oh, this is exciting and fun. I wasn't anxious about it or anything. And I told her that I was addicted to food. One food in particular was really bothering me, and it was ruining my life.

By the way, you can't be addicted to food, you can't be addicted to sugar. The one way that we know that we can't be addicted to sugar. There's studies that show that the the change in our brain chemicals when we eat sugar is the same as the change in our brain chemicals. When we laugh or hug someone or stroke a puppy, it's just a normal reaction. And the big thing is that increased exposure to sugar means a decrease in symptoms. And with other some substances that are addictive, increased exposure is not kind of a mean, decreased symptoms. Basically, the feeling of being addicted to sugar is because we deny ourselves, and then we become obsessed with it. So I was like, Okay, I'm addicted to this one food. I won't mention what food is because I don't want you to have feelings about it if you have that eat that food, and I certainly eat that food now. Okay, so I was like, No, I can't I'm just you know, I think about it all the time. And I just want to eat food and, you know, I want to eat other food and thinking about the things I would say. I'm just like, now I'll bless Victoria. Like, you were just eating nothing. He's okay, eat that food. And so she was like, oh, yeah, sounds Yeah, sounds very serious. Okay, well do we do the hypnotherapy and, and we had nothing maybe had like three sessions with her.

And so what it was you lie down and she's just talking to you? And going oh, yeah, you're just relaxed and you're, you're going walking down some stairs and 10 and you feeling more relaxed and nine and even more relaxed, and it's basically a guided meditation and then when she got down to like the final stage, she's on your suit. relaxed. And, you know, when I was I was relaxed and also I was thinking, okay, so this is when I should be in this altered state. I thought, Oh, I'm going to be, you know, clucking, like a chicken type of thing if she asked me to, but I wasn't. And I was like, Oh, I'm, I'm doing it wrong. There's something wrong with me. Yeah, it's not the that her therapy wasn't, you know, she didn't explain what hypnotherapy is. Or even hypnotherapy is real, whatever. And so she tested to see if I was under by moving my arm, and seeing if it flopped to the floor, which it did, because I was, I was being like, oh, I need to pretend to be hypnotized. And so she moved my arm. And I was like, Oh, she probably wants it to look like, she probably wants me to look relaxed. And so then I flopped it to the floor. And I was to say, Oh, I feel really awkward. I don't like this. And she started talking to me about the food that I was, I didn't want to eat and other food too, and telling me that I should eat food that is that she decided is is healthy for me.

And what she proceeded to do was to tell me that that food was disgusting, was gross. And she was like, Oh, the smell of it. Or the tail? The she was just really kind of like, oh, it's disgusting. How could you even want to eat that? I can't believe it. It makes me feel sick, just thinking about it. And this is what she was saying. And I was like, oh, obviously I'm quote unquote, under, so I was not responding. I was just lying there and

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and being like, Okay, this is gonna be great. I'm not gonna want to eat that food anymore. Oh, my God, I'm gonna be cured. And then she brought me out of hypnosis, you know, what me, you know, going up the stairs, again. I was they brought me out of hypnosis. You know, basically was just just talking to me and saying, Okay, you can, you can open your eyes now. And so we went back, I think a couple of more times. And afterwards, I was telling everyone I was cured from my food addiction. And my addiction to this one food, I remember going to visit my sister in law, and suggesting that the whole family go for a run water fucking dick I was. And because they were in the running type of fat, like, they weren't runners, right, that wasn't a part of what we did. And because I was so fit and healthy now. And so I was like, Oh, hey, let's go for 5k run. And they were like, okay, because I wanted to be nice. To be nice to me. I remember really clearly walking next to my sister in law, you know, because we will do a little bit of a walk break. And when I say sister lives with my partner for like, six years, and so, you know, not really but you know, saying, oh my god, you should try this hypnotism thing. I'm totally cured from being addicted to XYZ. I don't even think about it anymore. Oh, my God. And so I was I was influenced. But what was influencing me was shame. deep shame. Because this woman really, really I just remember her words. So clearly.

And, and afterwards, she repeated when I was awake, quote, unquote, awake. I remember seeing her face and being like, oh, it's disgusting. And really disgust. Oh, look on her face. And so why would I be then eating that food that I've been told is just absolutely vile and repulsive, I would even eat that thing. And I wanted to I wanted to work because she had been spent my whole life trying to become thin and get control over my eating. And, you know, eventually, you know, kind of carried on with life and then eventually discovered health every size and all that type of stuff. So a lot of money there. And the thing is, even now, probably 10 years later, the smell of that food is triggering for me. It triggers in me, feelings of shame. And now that shame comes up and immediately I know what to do to it. You know, talk about, uh, you know, talk to myself and I'm like, is this your shame to hold? Is this just the really, you know, absolutely unethical shit that you heard from this person who was telling you that it's repulsive and disgusting and all that type of stuff. Is that true? Should you be eating less? Yes, I should as the answer, yes, I shouldn't be eating this thing. And so I still now it's like this, this, this thought that comes up when I smell it. Shame. And, you know, when I have a home, needing to open my windows to remove this, and it's not an it's not a smelly thing. It's just a it's just food. And because there's this shame that comes up so still years later on working to recover from these three sessions that I had, like a decade ago.

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Anyway, I want to share a story from one of my followers on Instagram and Lisa who says, Because I put a story up saying Has anyone been hypnotized for quote unquote, weight loss? Melissa says, This was Gosh, about gosh, maybe 2009 or so. I was at my heaviest and desperate for anything that would help or be easy. My mom got a hypnosis to help her quit smoking, so I thought maybe it would work. Mind. I had already paid money for subliminal message CDs to help with this. Newsflash didn't help. I was so naive. I used to think if something was advertised as being and being sold, it had to be true. I can't tell you how much money I have spent in the pursuit of thinness. Anyway, I can't remember how I found this guy. Maybe Google Google. I'm not sure. We talked for a bit and I'm sure he could see I was a sucker. He made audio files for me to listen to. They didn't work. I was so excited to do this. Because like everything else in my life, I swore this would be the answer to all my problems. A quick fix. It was awkward. Something about him felt predatory. But I forced myself to do it because I wanted results. I really thought he would say some magic words that would flip a switch in my head. But it was just like affirmations. Really. I cannot fathom how you could charge $900 For affirmations. I have paid for people to hypnotize me twice in my life. Both times virtually and both times. I never felt hypnotized. Anyway, I remember looking him up later to see he was a magician by trade trade. Yikes, Jesus Christ. Anyone can make money off someone who's desperate. Wow, wow. Well, this is what I said. Well, thanks so much for sharing. I paid to be hypnotized to. And anyway, so Melissa continues, I've always had shame around food since I was a kid I actually gave, it actually gave me shame for being a sucker being duped out of so much money. I could tell you many stories. My whole life has been shame and trying to be skinny. And I said no need to feel shame, shame for being duped. I was too. And it was just excellent marketing and a vulnerable vulnerable brain filled with fat phobia. That made me susceptible. Yeah, and I haven't said this, but I'm gonna say this in a second. Let me let me just let me just move. Let me just move on. So Melissa, that's really important story there. I'm really surprised you know, that virtual thing that they just send you some tapes? I mean, I mean, I'm just surprised that that's all they think they need to do. You know?

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So, Lauren, who is feel good dietician. I work with Lauren. I do coaching in Lawrence program, a Lauren will help you with finding peace around food and learning intuitive eating. And I come in and do like a guest, a guest q&a for Lauren. Lauren is awesome. And Lauren said that she was creeped out by this just this man in the room when she was doing the hypnotism. And she went, she said, I think only went like twice, maybe three times. Basically he sent me some recording to listen to on my own. I didn't think I didn't think it did anything. It was honestly more to help me stop thinking about food all the time versus lose weight. I wasted a ton of money. nonetheless. It just did nothing. But she didn't feel any more didn't feel any more messed up with food than I already was.

So luckily Lauren didn't get negative side effects. Apart from losing money, and probably I'm guessing probably felt the same as Melissa did maybe kind of disappointed it or embarrassed that it didn't work for them. So, what is happening? What is happening? Will does this work? Is it just here's three stories me, Laura and Melissa and we're just three losers and it works for other people. Because you know, someone's grandma sisters, dogs friends parrot went to get hypnosis and they lost 5000 pounds. And so if it weren't for them, why didn't it work for us? So let's look at the science. Now there's an article here from time called is a hypnosis real? I'm gonna link it don't bother reading it boring. is a is a segment. In terms of weight loss. Some of this guy's Kirsch curses, researchers found that compared to people undergoing cognitive behavioral therapy CBT for one of the most evidence based backed non drug treatments for weight loss, is it hang on a minute. They're saying in time that CBT cognitive behavioral therapy is the most evidence backed non drug treatment for weight loss. I mean, it could be the most evidence back but it's the evidence still is that diets don't work it no matter how intentional weight loss, I should say intentional weight loss doesn't work no matter how. So anyway. So CBD is the most evidence backed non drug treatment for weight loss, depression and many other conditions. Those who undergo CBT coupled with hypnosis tend to lose significantly more weight is what this guy is saying. After four to six months, those undergoing CBT hypnosis dropped more than x pounds, while those who did CBT did just CBT lost about half that amount. The hypnosis group also maintain that weight loss during an 18 month follow up period while the CBT only group tended to regain some weight. Hey, notice something I want you to I want you to see if the alarm bells are ringing. On one thing in there, well, lots of things. But one main thing that tells us is this information is this is this these studies that this this Kirsch has looked at? Is it showing that CBT plus hypnosis makes people thin or lose weight.

On the surface, it's saying that, yes, people do it, they lose weight. And they followed up after 18 months. Interesting. Where's the follow up at month 19 or 20 or two years, or three years or five years? What we know is that if they did follow up at year three, four, and five, those numbers are going to be saying probably probably because the evidence shows that with any intentional weight loss that people would have put on either more weight than they started with. Or regain the weight. Most people, right? But it's like, we did a bit of hypnosis. They initially lost weight and it was great. Then we followed up like 18 months later and that was

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oh, what about two years? Forget about that. Don't worry about that. What about what about three? What about five? What happened to these people after five years? And I still sin? Or they fucked up by your hypnosis and your whatever diet is you prescribed? So looking at this, okay, so there's a study, a study that is called hypnotherapy for Oh word patients and narrative review and let me just read the the first minute here. First off, they start by saying that fat people are taking over the world and they need to die. And then they say the search identified 119 articles of which seven met the inclusion criteria, a total of 539 respondents. 82% Women 17% men between the ages of 17 and 67. Imagine being 67 and still doing this bullshit. We're represented in the seven studies. Most studies incorporated lifestyle changes such as change of dietary habit and behavioral recommendations in the hypnotic procedure. So it sounds like okay in the hypnotic procedure, they are saying you need to incorporate lifestyle style changes such as changing diets habit. And so it sounds like they're probably doing something like what I experience. I think my version that sounds pretty extreme, like my version that the hypnotherapist was like, it's disgusting. I don't know if that's the protocol.

But even if it is just like, oh, you love celery, oh, you're really drawn to eating dust. You know, even if it's stuff like that, like, positive, I'm saying with a like, you know, positive. What is that going to do when they are not drawn to salary and dust? And yes, it's gonna it's gonna make people feel a shame and a shame shamed. Okay, continuing. Their results suggested that the use of hypnotherapy not only promoted weight reduction during the treatment period, but also after treatment cessation. And in some cases, a x amount of kilos were lost during follow up periods. Don't know when the follow up periods were in addition, one study even showed increased physical activity among the hypnotized individuals. Again, I reckon it was probably like, what you love running and the person who's you know, doing the fake being fake, you know, or I'm hypnotized, so I better go out for a run because if I didn't, and I wasted 500 bucks on this bullshit. The use of hypnotherapy also improved respondents eating behavior and quality of life. However, a definitive conclusion could not be drawn due to several methods, methodological flaws, and the limited number of published studies in this area.

Therefore, further well designed studies are needed to substantiate the effectiveness of hypnotherapy is like, you know, they say certain people did this, some people did that. But actually, it's we don't have this, we can't draw any conclusions because we don't have enough information. And all the information is not that we do have is not has flaws. So there's basically there's not evidence to show hypnotherapy is going to make someone lose weight long term. I would love to know this would be really interesting to see the the effects because we know like the effects that diets have like diet diets is the number one risk factor for eating disorder. And all sorts of different things happen with when someone is engaging in diets, restricted behave restrictive behavior around food or that type of stuff has a negative effect on their physical and emotional well being and wonder if that's worse with hypnotherapy. Or the same or not as bad? I wonder? Because because it looks like this. There's information on hypnotherapy for like in you know, the the first off when I was reading about what what hypnotherapy is, there is there are studies to suggest that hypnotherapy is good for pain reduction, for anxiety, maybe for PTSD, not always for any of those things.

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And, I mean, they're not going to be swapping out a nice the tising people for hypnotizing them instead, you know, like, they're not going to be like, okay, you've come in for your knee knee replacement today, Doris, we're gonna just do some hypnotizing and you're not gonna feel anything. You know, they were gonna be like, they might be like, hey, Darcy, think about a nicer walk on the beach as they're as they're putting her under. Right. That's what, that's what they did last time when I had surgery last. The anesthesiologist was like, oh, Imagine you're sitting on the beach and it's nice and warm. And I'm just going to give you a glass of wine right now and then give you a little bit of the anesthesia. And then you're like, oh, fuck, yeah. And she's like, she was like, whispering really nice things to me. She was like, I can't remember what it's but it was like, you're safe. And you're so relaxed, and you feel so good. And as I bet you are really? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you've got your five minutes of fame right now telling me all these things like, anesthesiologists have only got like a really short time with the patient and she's making it work. She's leaving me with an excellent impression. I was like five stars for that anesthesiologist. She made my 10 seconds of counting back until zero really fucking nice. So I think like, hypnotism can be helpful alongside for some patients alongside other treatments, because really what it is, is meditation and there's there's meditation can be very, very helpful because your, your, your your breathing is is slowed and your heart rate is slowed and, and with this, that increased concentration it to me it feels like I don't know if you ever get this, but my sister always comments that I do this when you get a stare on do you ever get a stare on when you just you space out? And you're just looking at something and she always she says I look absolutely weird as fuck because my eyes got really weird. And I'm just like, but got a good stare on and you're just like so now. Is this a? Is this a i think i think you know what I'm talking about? Do you get this? Just a good stare on and if someone did come into your vision during that time, they'll be like, What the fuck is this person's problem? Why are they giving me the stink eye, but you don't recognize it because you've just got a stare on and it lasts like 15 seconds. And then you're like, oh, had a good stair on deny that was a nice stair on. And it's satisfying, you know. And I kind of feel like that is what hypnotism is having a bit of a stair on. But then like with your mind, and then like a bit of a relaxation. I mean, it would be nice. Imagine if I went to hypnotism and it wasn't about weight loss, it was about like, Hey, you just got to relax. That would be cool. Because you know, walking down the stairs and we're on a beach and I remember it because that was relaxing. Apart from the performance pressure of being like, I'm gonna have to convince this bitch that I'm fucking you know, gonna start running around the room because if she suggests it I'm so hypnotized.

So I think you know, you know, it can be helpful but Mm hmm. I think take it with a pinch of salt. I'd love to I'd love to know what people are I could just Google it I guess but just what speak to someone who's who's be on stage you know? And and they do the hypnotism because what people what a lot of people are saying is that there just his peer pressure. I can so see that I can so see. People. I mean, I did you know the peer pressure of being like my arms dropping down. I would say I would absolutely fall for peer pressure in that circumstance. I went to see hypnotism show, actually when I was at Leeds and reading music festival leads all round comma, which one? I went to both. When I was like 17. And it was so fucking funny. It was so it was so funny. So one of the best things about this music festival was his hypnotism show. Anyway, so I don't know what he's talking about. But my mind got on a sidetrack there, I didn't have a stare on my brain had a bit of a stare on. So

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let's see what's up. Let's do a roundup of what we've talked about is hypnotherapy, a weight loss hack. So when I was in my final years of dieting, I was trying to do anything to get thin. And I came to the conclusion that I was addicted to food. And so I was going to try hypnotherapy as a way to stop my desire to eat quote unquote bad foods, foods that I decided were bad. And hypnotism isn't what we see on TV, the hypnotist doesn't click their fingers and then you have control of your mind and you start doing stupid shit like, you know, pretending to be a chicken and all that type of stuff. Instead, it's kind of like a guided meditation.

And the stuff that we see on stage, a lot of that is peer pressure. So in my experience in the meditation bits, the hypnotist, I say the meditation bit the bit where I was hypnotized. I wasn't hypnotized. I was just lying on the couch pretending to be hypnotized. The hypnotist told me that the foods that I craved were disgusting and repulsive and gross, in order for me to feel shame around those foods that I would stop eating them. And after I did, I avoided the food that I was told was repulsive and disgusting and gross and the smell of it was horrible and all that type of stuff. Now I know why I did that is that my already deep shame had been rocket blasted into space space and now I felt shame and repulsion toward myself for wanting that Food and eventually eating the food because you can only hold your breath, so to speak metaphorically around food for a certain amount of time, and then you have to give in and allow yourself those foods. And so studies have shown that people who try hypnotism for weight loss lose weight initially and then.dot.or Do we think that happens? We have no idea what happens because the data doesn't show long term what happens to those people, but we can presume, as with any intentional Weight Loss Method, that the people gain the weight back, and more for a lot of people, because our bodies and brains rebel against the restriction and it's no fault of our own. It's not that we failed at being a good hypnotized person, or didn't do the diet well enough or whatever. It's, it's out of our control. So I wonder how much impact this method of weight loss has on the well being of Pathak participants for me. Now, even after years and years, smelling the food that I was hypnotized, quote, unquote, to not eat still brings up feelings of shame, I'm able to cope with those feelings of shame, but it's really fucking annoying. It doesn't stop me from eating the food. But it's just a barrier that I have to face when I come in contact with this food, which is a common food, which is just, I roll so annoying.

So having to wrestle with those unwanted feelings. And I only had two or three sessions, right. And so I wonder what hypnotism is doing to people who go in for weight loss, whether it's just that they lose tons of money. Or there are longer term effects of that shame that the hypnotherapist taught told them that they need to feel around these foods, or even just the encouragement to do certain things, you know, and how that has a negative effect. Because again, it's shame and one thing that we know about shame is that shame increases people's weight. Not that having a higher weight is a bad thing. But it's doing the opposite that you know the opposite effect that is intended when it comes to hypnosis. So let's talk about gender. I wrote a post and people seem to resonate with it. So I wanted to share. I wanted to share I'm on the you're so important. I want to tell you, okay, so gender, gender, gender, okay, so

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I'm non binary, in case you didn't know, healing. I know God. But you know, I have a new listener today. When I have a new listener, hello, new listener, if you're a new listener, Hi, I'm Victoria. So that reminds me I need to change my, the the synopsis for the podcast refers to me as she and I, every time I see it, I'm like, I need to change that. And then 30 seconds later, I'm like, Oh, I'm going to scratch my bum. So I put a picture of myself up on the Instagrams, it just a picture of me looking fabulous. Not just it's a picture of me looking fabulous. And I wrote this is what a non binary person looks like. We all look different. There is no one way to be non binary. Being non binary is a way you experienced your own gender for me and learning fatphobia and dye culture helped me understand how I was living by a very gender definition of who I should be. Because I was fat I needed to make up for or compensate for my ugly body by being hyper feminine. The way I perceived being quote unquote, feminine was having long hair and high heels and wearing skirts. There is nothing wrong with any of those things.

And those things are not inherently feminine. By the way, also, I would act like I was less intelligence, or that I was weak so that sis men felt more comfortable in my private presence. I would hope they'd think, Oh, she may be fat, but at least I'm stronger than her. I would do these things in order for sis men to be more attracted to me. Once I learned fatphobia I started looking at what I actually liked, who I am underneath all of these rules society in myself had put on my existence. Turns out being feminine is not something I want to do for sis men. Some days I can feel more feminine. I'm putting feminine in quotation marks because what even is feminine, you know some made up. And some days I could feel more feminine and do things like wear lipstick, again, not something that is inherently feminine, but society can perceive it as feminine. Some days I feel like I want to be more mask, and where I want to wear sweatpants and a baseball cap. The idea of people perceiving me as a woman makes me feel Yuck, because that is not who I feel inside. I don't know if I would have ever got to this point, if it wasn't for unlearning fatphobia if I still hated my fat body, I would still be so concerned about putting on a show for sis men so that they could consume my body so that I was more palatable for them. It is so liberating to be free of those confines, I feel like I am allowed. I am allowed to be fully myself as a non binary person. I still struggle with the idea of being seen by sis men and wanting to convey a message to them. But I know ultimately putting on an act to be loved by someone else isn't going to benefit me or them. question have you ever performed with gender for others in order to compensate for your body size? So we had a lot of people let me go to the comments. And people say yeah, oh my god. minyama No. And Warren, I thought a lot of people do this, even if they don't if they're even if they're not talking about they're not having feelings around gender. They are even if they are you know, sis, and you know, there's no kind of questions around their gender I think I feel like a lot of people play up certain aspects of, of gender depending on what your gender is.

So that we're conveying a message to people that we want to attract that I am I'm even though I'm fat, like I'm not even I'm fat, I'm dainty and you know, even though like say if you're a guy even though I'm sure I'm still strong and even I'm this I'm that even though you know trying to make up for this perceived flaw even though it's you know, it's not a flaw.

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So one comment, I'm just gonna read read, as a tall plus size woman this deeply resonates, I always felt my large frame made me more masculine looking. And part of my way of performing femininity was trying to make my body as little as possible. This was this was one not healthy in any way to not possible after a point because my body stopped responding to what I was doing to make it smaller. The more I love myself as as I am and learn what makes me feel beautiful and sexy, the less confined I feel to looking a certain way for men. I may want to attract or people who could judge me and the men who I should want to attract should love me for me anyways. Not a highly filtered version of me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna read another I'm gonna I'm gonna read another comment. This resonates so much off the top of my head.

Once I was old enough to get contacts I felt like I had to wear always had to wear them because it was bad enough. I was fat. I couldn't wear glasses on top of that. Although to be fair, Dorothy Parker's men don't make passes that girls who wear glasses impacted this opinion, too. I don't know what that is. I think that might be a North American thing. Or maybe it's, I don't know, whatever. But I'm guessing it's a an advert for contact lenses. Maybe? I don't know. Anyway, continuing. I also felt like I needed to wear my hair down and straight straightener even though I hated straightening my hair because it's so thick. It took forever to straighten. Yeah, that's one thing. It's so funny. Like sometimes we perceive certain things like this person saying, Oh, I had to not wear glasses. I perceived glasses as something that was cute and interesting and sexy. I didn't get any negative messaging around it. I guess I did a little bit like my mom had glasses and they you know like negative messaging as in it was difficult to not see. But because it is but I didn't have any kind of like you. I guess I tell you what, though. When I first got glasses, I got the coolest fucking pair. Oh my God and they will call for like three minutes and then I was like, I hate them. I got a pair of Ghostbusters glasses. So cool. I think I was like I wasn't I was in primary school. So I must have been about eight. And they were like why a framed round. And they had the wireframe on the on the arm. They had a Ghostbuster symbol. Oh, my God. How fucking cool. I want a picture of me wearing them in us in a you know, NDA photo and Look No so fucking Q.

And then someone I think was like, Guys best it is. And I was like, oh, and then appealed. And I'm the one where I'm anymore. And then I didn't really need glasses glasses until I was in my late 20s. And I think not, I mean, late teens and so yeah, so I didn't probably get glasses until I was like 18 or 19, for real, but I had to wear them pretty much often. And so I probably had as a more secure sense of my identity a little bit, and thought that they look cute and sexy versus them being an attractive whereas, you know, because that's just the message I got, whereas this person, go the opposite. And so I can't wear the glasses. And but you know, who's who's right is just glasses, you know? And I guess some people have strong feelings either way, like I wouldn't, I don't really care. If someone has glasses or doesn't have glasses, I think people will look cute. Either way, they look handsome, and pretty and good and whatever. So it doesn't make any difference to me. But

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it's kind of funny, because I always think about, you know, the foods that some people think, are bad, because, you know, we all think, Oh, we all have this universal of idea of what is good and bad foods, right? We all know what the good foods are. We all know what the bad foods are. But I think that's true to an extent, but not always, because I think sometimes we're really influenced by certain foods, and think, oh, they are really bad.

And whereas someone who has not had the messaging that they're bad, they just see them as a neutral food or a healthy food, or, you know, just a food, I guess it's just you know, someone who's not being fucked up around food. And so when I sometimes when I hear people saying, Oh, this food is really bad, and I'm like, Oh, is it like, you know, as if they had been taught that that food was bad, and, but I had been taught something else as bad. And they might be like, Oh, I don't even think about that food. You know, it's not even a thing in my brain, whatever, I've just eat it, no big deal. And all these all these perceptions that we have around all sorts of different things. Anyway, and so with gender, that performing, especially because I'm not very tall, I'm 574 is five, seven and a half. I've got a size 10 fee in the UK, in the in the US size eight in the UK, which is, you know, close to the largest that you can get in stores. And there why to? And so I was like, oh my god, I got big fee. And so you know, how in the know 2009 It was cool to take pictures of all of you, your friends feet in a circle. Do you remember that? And I was always like so embarrassed because my best friend, she had size three feet. So what is that in? In Canada in its size five. So the smallest I had the biggest in general short stores. She had the smallest and general stores. And we'd always compare feet sizes. And always she she'd always be like, Oh, my feet are so small. And I'd be like, Oh my god, yeah, your feet are so small. And I'd always be thinking, Oh God, my feet are so big. If guys see my feet are so big, plus, I'm fat. Plus, I'm five, seven. And my friend was short, too. She was like five foot or something. So compared to her like pictures next to her, I just felt like a boost, like a total beast. And so I did one episode where I said the things that I used to do to to make myself small, and one of them would be using a teaspoon to like eat cereal, because I'm like, I couldn't possibly manage a tablespoon or so because my mouth is so chiming because I'm so small. Actually, I would never order a large glass of say if I went to the pub, I wouldn't order a pint of beer. I'd be like, Oh, now I'll have a cocktail. Because I want to be like Oh, she's so feminine. Oh my god. Oh my God. Is she fat? No, she's not fat. She's drinking a cosmopolitan she can't be fat. Because she's so dainty and feminine and womanly. She's drink drink and a Cosmo because she's been watching so much Sex in the City. Yeah, so an extended to to obviously doing things that I didn't want to eat with a fucking teaspoon. I don't do a ladle. Like everyone else. I wanted to have a drink that I liked not a drink that you know made me look a certain way and who fucking cares who Fargo and girls and really is it a lot of this is down to a lot of sis men not feeling good about themselves. And they're not feeling big enough. they're not feeling manly enough or masculine enough or XYZ. And so they're they them having a low self esteem and being like, Oh, well I need my partner to be small because then it will make me feel bigger. And yes, a lot of it is just down to all of us are walking around being like, I want to be loved and accepted and I don't feel like I'm good enough. And we are gonna wear Oh, god. Oh. Alright, okay, so thank you for hanging out with me today.

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Oh my god, I've gone to one hour and five. Oh, my gold. I was like, oh, today's episode is gonna be short. I will say that done I in my brain. I was like, Oh, I haven't today's episode. Let me like 20 minutes. Listen, I know a lot of people make sure episodes, a lot of people make podcast episodes that like 20 minutes, 30 minutes. I personally like longer episodes. Okay? Because I like I tell you why I like longer episodes, because I want to have a big buffer to fall asleep to, you know, do you know what I'm saying? You know, I'm saying, you know, when you go, you put a podcast on if you listen to me falling asleep, at night, fall asleep. If you listen to me falling asleep, you can't guarantee that you're going to fall asleep in save the episodes like 27 minutes, it's not even half an hour. So you can't put the half an hour timer on. Thanks for ruining my life, Podcast Producer, God. And so then you have to put on like 15 minute timer. Or if you're using a different app, you can customize it a little bit more. But if you're using like an apple, whatever, anyway, and so then you're like, I've got pressure to fall asleep in 15 minutes, because this motherfucker has made a 27 minute podcast episode.

And you know what's going to happen, then you're not going to fall asleep in 15 minutes. 15 minutes comes, podcast episode stops. And you're going to have to kind of be like, you're not quite asleep, but you know, you need a little bit more bedtime stories. So you have to open your eyes and look at that bright screen to put up play, press play again and doing and doing, you know, am I gonna then listen to 10 minutes because it's 27 minute episode, but then I've got pressure to fall asleep in the next 10 minutes. Whereas you know, what just feels really safe and comfortable for me is when I go on podcast episode. When I say go on when I look at a podcast episode, and it's like, an hour and 47 I'm like, oh, yeah, for an hour and 47.

Then I put the timer on for 45 minutes. And then I know that if I wake up and there's no podcast playing, or it's 45 minutes, and I haven't fallen asleep yet. I still got like, an hour left of podcasts to still listen to. And so I'm like it's another hour, you know, fall asleep. And now I see. See, I think about these things. That's why I make my podcast episodes long so that you can fall asleep and then know that I'm still gonna be yapping away in an hour's time. So you don't feel pressure to fall asleep. Basically, I'm making your life better. Basically, by probably the best person that's ever lived. Probably no doubt no doubt about it. I may god. Ah, the work I'm doing with humanity. Ah, amazing. Yeah, so that's why my MO says so long because I'm like, basically Mother Teresa, right? Yeah, you're welcome. I know. Okay, well if you are asleep listening to this choice and if you're like driving a car or whatever, and you're like I'm not sleepy Victoria stop trying to make me sleepy. Then go off and have a wonderful rest of your day. And I'll see you in the next episode. See you in a while alligator, my family

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