Episode 185 Transcript
SUMMARY:
Weight Watchers and personal growth. 0:00
Affordable life improvements. 3:12
Oprah Winfrey's departure from Weight Watchers board and weight loss drug use. 9:39
Weight Watchers' new weight loss drug and its potential conflicts of interest. 13:27
Weight Watchers' effectiveness and customer experiences. 20:33
Oprah's weight loss journey and use of medication. 25:04
Weight loss, diet culture, and celebrity influence. 29:30
Body image, weight loss, and fat acceptance. 34:53
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You're listening to the Fierce Fatty Podcast episode 185, Oprah leaves Weight Watchers bored after using weight loss drug.
Let's do it. Hi
Vinny Welsby 0:26
Hello, Welcome to Fast fatty podcast. I'm your host, Vinny Welsby. Pronouns they them. How's life? How are you? Welcome back. Welcome back. I'm, uh, I'm feeling very studious. This week, because I've been studying for my citizenship test for Canada. I've been in Canada for 15 years now. 15 years, 15 years. Oh, my God. And I'm just applying for citizenship. And I applied in December. It's March now. So things are processing nice and quick. But I have a they do you have to pass a test 2020 20 question, multiple choice thing. And they give you a this 70 page document to read. And you have to memorize the stuff in it. It's quite interesting. Actually. There's lots of things I didn't know about Canada. And it also interesting to see how much stuff they leave out in regards to the treatment of indigenous communities. And like there was a thing on women earning the right to vote and things like that. And it was like women earn the right to vote. And then I was thinking, hang on, you mean white women? Like they left out that bit, you know, things like that. I'm just thinking, I know about that stuff. But if you didn't know about those little things, and there's lots of things, obviously, I don't know about Canada, and they're not saying so anyways, interesting. So that's what I'm up to at the moment.
Vinny Welsby 1:55
I've got my neighbor's dog here. I'm looking after them. Jackson. So if you hit he's, he just randomly starts going. Oh, so if you hear something like that in the background, it's not that I've imprisoned someone, or I'm abusing a dog. It's just Jackson. He's a little bit of dramatic dramatic. So we're going to be talking about Weight Watchers today.
Vinny Welsby 2:17
But before we start, I want you to one Hey, if you like the show, and you want to keep hearing more episodes of the show, consider donating on COFI link will be in the show notes Kofi for your one dime time donation you can do a monthly donation where you get some free shit
Unknown Speaker 2:36
$5 would be amazing. If you could if you can't, why not write a review? If you don't do any of those things fine. I'm not the boss to hear you do you whatever.
Unknown Speaker 2:47
And to I saw this video on
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on YouTube this guy was saying the things that have improved my life under $100 and I was like, I want to tell you some things that have improved my life under $100 Because there's some things I'm just like, oh my god, you need to get this thing it's so amazing. And I thought well I put little list together I just I just realized another thing so not that you need to buy anything ever. But in case you wanted to like a little no life improvement for not too much money. Here my favorite thing so first ah I fucking love it is my tushy BD
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so it's like a you're attached to any toilet pretty much it's about $100 or less maybe it's like $7 or something in Canadian anyway.
Unknown Speaker 3:39
And it like washes you're so fucking amazing when I use a toilet and they didn't have a bday now I'm just like what is this? You want me to wipe my bum? What you like what was referred to as you but
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it is just
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honestly I can't believe I've I've lived so long you know without a tushy isn't gonna be touchy anyone like tissues? Fine, whatever.
Unknown Speaker 4:10
But yeah, to shape Next, a cordless vacuum so I have a Dyson if you're watching on the video, it's right there hanging up in my kitchen. I have a Dyson. I don't think it matters what you what you have, but the cordless vacuum you know what put in the plug in the wall just would send me like I couldn't handle that extra step of putting a plug in the wall and so hoovering or other you've probably save acumen if you're not British hoovering was such a like a huge ordeal. Now I just after dinner, I can just go Hoover takes one minute stick on the wall. Amazing. Just ah.
Unknown Speaker 4:56
Okay, so chewing gum. I love chewing gum.
Unknown Speaker 5:00
I fucking love chewing gum. And so this is probably not relevant to you at all. You know what the fuck, I don't need this. But I have chewing gum at like three different stations in my house, chewing gum. Next to my desk, I have chewing gum, at the my coffee table and also next to my bed. I'm just, I just love chewing gum and having to go somewhere else in my apartment to find it. When it's just right there. Love it. So I wonder if you have something that you really like, like no like a lip balm or something and you just
Unknown Speaker 5:30
There you go.
Unknown Speaker 5:32
Next, a good phone charging cord. So I used to always buy, you know, the cheapest version of a charging cord because I you know, whatever, they're all the same, but have to be replacing them all the time. So I bought one that was like $20. And I was just like 20. Nolan's
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but guess what, it's an instead. So yay, me. Next, people kept banging on about this for ages, my sister kept being like, Oh my God, you need to get the analysis like, No, this is silly. But I eventually tried it and got it. And it has literally changed my life. And that is an airfryer I make so much in my air fryer. So think about anytime you put the oven on, if you're a single person as well, or maybe you and one other person
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put into the oven and you have to wait for it to warm up. It's just so big. It takes so long. But the airfryer is like an oven, but it's really quick. You just literally chuck it in, you've got a little timer, like you just you can even just like put some chicken in and then put it on and then leave the house walk the dog come back and you dinner's ready. It is so good. And it's so quick. It's just everything I put so much in there. And if you wanted to heat up leftovers
Unknown Speaker 6:53
as a Maryland, okay, so I didn't pay for this, but someone gave me this a yeti mug. And I was just like, I'm not really like a mug person like in regards to like I wouldn't buy like a tumbler or something because I just think let's say like this seem really expensive. What's the point, but someone gave me a yeti literally use it 99.9% of the time I'm drinking hot liquid, I just I that's all I use. Unless I don't know that literally, that's all I use it because it keeps your drink hot for so long. And I forget that I have a drink and it gets cold. So with the Yeti, I'll have like a coffee in the afternoon that I'll make and then it will be still hot by the time
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it's the end of the day, because it'll take me that long to drink it.
Unknown Speaker 7:46
So it's amazing. It's amazing. I don't know how much a Yeti is, but it is definitely under $100. Okay, so on my coffee table, I have a lamp, it's like a high coffee table that's on the arm of my of my sofa. And in the bottom of the lamp has a USB charging thing. So I can just put my charging doobly doo, right in there. Love it. It's amazing. Got it from HomeSense for like $30.
Unknown Speaker 8:16
And finally, is my library membership.
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This thing, lots of people don't know about this, but your local library probably
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will have audiobooks. And what people don't know about is they have they have
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a streaming service. The one that is in in Vancouver is called canopy. And so if you previously used to be able to go to libraries and rent DVDs, right, you probably still can't do that. But they now if you have a movie that you like, it's not on the ones that I normally use, you can go and see it at the library, and just rent it
Unknown Speaker 8:59
free. It's free. It's free. And so you there's a free streaming service and there's no ads or anything, it's just free and, and it has interesting things on there as well that you might not see in other places. Because you know, it's like cool library stuff. But also has like, you know, all the normal things that you'd have on like a Netflix, not all of them, obviously because it's a lot a lot more limited. But still, it's forever. So yeah, that's my list of things. What are your things that you really like that you have in your life that have improved your life for a smaller amount of money? Okay, so let's talk about what we're talking about today. Like, Yeah, fucking out. We've already been 10 minutes in here, Benny. I'm here for the Oprah gossip.
Unknown Speaker 9:44
All right, glad I'm doing so a few days ago, news came out that Oprah was leaving the board of Weight Watchers. So I shared on the old instance
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grams and said to people what do you think about this and people had some opinions? And I was curious about certain things in regards to what is Weight Watchers doing in regards to weight loss drugs.
Unknown Speaker 10:13
And what's the gospel? Basically what is the golfer need to know? So I'm just gonna read from variety which says Oprah Winfrey Winfrey to exit Weight Watchers board after she announced use of weight loss drug. Oprah Winfrey. I'm struggling with Winfrey. Winfrey, free free. Oprah, Oprah Winfrey. You know what it's gone up and a free at the end. Anyway, Oprah Winfrey will leave the board of Weight Watchers after almost 10 years following the entertainment moguls relevant revelation that she's using a weight loss drug. Winfrey informed the company this week that she decided to not stand for re election at the annual meeting of shareholders to be held in May 2024. She has served on the company's board since 2015 When she acquired a 10% stake in Weight Watchers. I look forward to continuing to advise and collaborate with Weight Watchers and CEO Seema Sistani in elevating the conversation around recognizing Oh word as a chronic condition, working to reduce stigma and advocating for health equity, said Winfrey in a statement
Unknown Speaker 11:23
in December 2023, Winfrey had told people that she decided to start taking a weight loss medication, which she did not identify after coming to the realization that weight management does not hinge solely on a person's self control. Quote, the fact that there is a medically approved prescription for managing weight and staying healthier in my lifetime feels like relief, like redemption, like a gift and not something to hide behind and once again be ridiculed for she told people Winfrey's agreement with Weight Watchers specifies that she will, she will, quote, not engage in any other weight loss or weight management business program products or services during the term of her relationship with the company. And for one year afterwards. According to the company's filings with the SEC. After the disclosure that Winfrey will leave Weight Watchers board shares of the Weight Watchers or WW international fell more than 20% Friday. With her departure the company's board will be reduced from 10 to nine members. And then it keeps going on blah, blah, blah. But I believe globally bluebird a blip blip. Winfrey owns about 1.1 million shares of WW international representing 1.43% stake in the company. According to data provided provider FactSet at the current stock price that's worth less than 3.5 million.
Unknown Speaker 12:45
Her initial investment for 6.4 million shares of the company totaled 43 point 2 million. So I wonder if you sold them. Oh, okay. So she's denoted donated her stock, her WWE stock to the National Museum of African American History and Culture.
Unknown Speaker 13:03
Oh, interesting. Okay. And then at the end it says last year, Weight Watchers acquired sequence a telehealth subscription service providing access to health care providers who can prescribe weight loss drugs like zenpack for 106 million.
Unknown Speaker 13:20
Okay, so this is Sol Sol Sol Sol Sol Sol Sol Sol Sol. I've read all this but I'm thinking I'm just thinking I'm thinking aloud I'm thinking aloud. what's not being said here what's going on behind the scenes because here's what I thought what came to my head when I first read that and I was like, hang on a minute. Weight Watchers sells weight loss drugs. So why
Unknown Speaker 13:44
is Oprah essentially getting the boot? Who knows if she's getting the boot but you know this is who knows what's going on. But there seems to be like Weight Watchers saying that this is a conflict of interest or or Oprah saying that
Unknown Speaker 14:00
so So hang on what is going on? Shouldn't that be like a good thing that Oprah is according to Weight Watchers
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having a smaller body probably temporarily by using this unnamed weight loss drug but showing that she's not allowed to use any other
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weight loss product maybe because it's not a Weight Watchers named drug not that there is a Weight Watchers named drug that I'm aware of there could be in the future
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the fact that it's a brand theoretically you know like a we go V or other weight loss drug
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or I'm saying weight loss drug their diabetes drugs right. We go V is a weight loss drug but anyway, I digress. So So what's what's going on? So I've been having a little lucky luck a little sneaky sneaky little allow a little luck, luck, luck luck, who is
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sequence
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what is going on? So let's read from Regan chasse Dean's substack blog post. What is this company that they're acquiring? Regan Chastain writes sequence is one of the scavenger companies that have popped up to capitalize on the massive marketing campaign around the new GLP one agonist class of weight loss drugs. So GLP one agonist class or weight loss drugs, is we go V ozempic, Manzano, you know that type of stuff. Essentially, the company employs a group of doctors and practice practitioners who prescribe weight loss drugs, including the new drugs as well as older ones, with dangerous side effects and no long term efficacy data, as well as diet and exercise plan to people who pay a monthly subscription of $99 which may not include their drugs.
Unknown Speaker 15:52
The leader of their medical team is Dr. Spencer Nadal ski and he specializes in Oh word medicine, which of course raises a lot of red flags. A quick browse of open payments.cms.gov finds that Dr. Nadal ski has accepted small payments from Nova Novo Nordisk Eli Lilly AstraZeneca, Boehringer Ingelheim, Janssen Pharmaceuticals, II, i Sa i GlaxoSmithKline. If any of these names look familiar, it's because they are funders of astroturf organizations that lobby for insurance coverage, and expanded use of those drugs and Purdue pharma makers of OxyContin and architects of the marketing program that Novo and others are copying, copying, including the use of astroturf organizations to lobby for insurance coverage, coverage, and expanded use of drugs. So
Unknown Speaker 16:45
I all went and have it or Google Google of the Weight Watchers are doing right now. So that stuff happened. Summer 2023.
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So now that had a little time to settle in what is going on. So
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going on to the Weight Watchers website, it doesn't if you just
Unknown Speaker 17:07
I don't recommend going on the Weight Watchers website unless you're in a incognito tab, because you might get a shit ton of weight. Weight Watchers and friends advertising to you on the Weight Watchers website, it doesn't say hey, sign up for drugs, it they are still pushing the
Unknown Speaker 17:27
time true tested and failed diet point system that they've all always had, have sold.
Unknown Speaker 17:39
It's only when when I searched for Weight Watchers plus sequence, which is the name of the company that is prescribing the drugs did it come up, and you can and it was either go straight to sequence, which obviously doesn't have that brand name of Weight Watchers that people are familiar with. Or the first thing that comes up is weightwatchers forward slash clinic. So they're they're branding it as this type of doctor's clinic. And the marketing is so sleek, obviously it is it's you know,
Unknown Speaker 18:17
they've got so much money to spend on you know, because I've got customers five, and basically they just making it making it look really really easy and enticing that you can just literally click the button it says take a quiz, see if you're eligible. And the five minute quiz. All it asks you to see if you're eligible.
Unknown Speaker 18:37
It is your height and weight. And then what crave what have you used a drug before your gender? And what do you struggle with? Hunger? Nighttime eating stress eating cravings, not enough exercise? I mean just if
Unknown Speaker 18:58
If I Can I roll anymore. I mean hunger and craving, eating, eating at night. These are all just normal ways to be a human being.
Unknown Speaker 19:10
Do you struggle with needing to eat food? We've got the medicine for you. Fucking now anyway, and then what have you tried in the past like dieting, exercise, whatever, and then create an account to see your results. Obviously I'm not going to do that because I don't want to give Weight Watchers anything.
Unknown Speaker 19:31
But but they're not asking. Hey, are you unwell? Are you sick in any way? No, they're just asking are you fat? If you're fat then up your qualify lol
Unknown Speaker 19:46
the other things on the page is all kind of glossy. You're going to cure your your see sleep apnea and your fatty liver and you're going to become a you're going to have X ray eyeballs and you're you know all like kind of fantastical claims
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seems that this you know, if you sign up for the clinic,
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they show average weight loss with the clinic. And
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at 39 weeks, the weight loss starts to slow down 52 weeks, which is exactly what we know happens, it seems to stop. And what happens after that they stop showing the data.
Unknown Speaker 20:27
It's just like a tried and true tactic, isn't it from any weight loss companies, it's like, look at all the amazing weight loss. Forget about it when it started, come back on.
Unknown Speaker 20:37
So any links to data goes to a study that's behind a paywall. So you know, people are not able to get that information. And whether it works
Unknown Speaker 20:49
accurately and heads up. We don't have any data to show that it improves health in any significant way or that after a year, it's
Unknown Speaker 20:58
stops working. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 21:03
It's just I just find it. My eyeballs want to pop out on my head when I read these these sales pages which are just lying to people. So you have to pay a $49 consultation fee. And then they say start with a one time $49 consultation fee after the first month, your membership continues for as low as $84 a month. They prescribe semaglutide We go V. liraglutide sucks Ender. Now TracPhone be pro prion and Tirzah peptide zip pouch bound.
Unknown Speaker 21:38
And those medications, they say most of the ones that are the don't you don't get the medication paid for with that monthly at $4.
Unknown Speaker 21:50
I had a look to see what people's experiences were so I you know, the best place for people's like, you know, no, I feel like Reddit for finding people's experiences is a nice place to nice place who says read it's a nice place. But you know, I always if I want to get a real real idea, knowing that there's still probably salespeople on there, but I will go to read it and see if what I'm looking at is what are the people say what are the people say about it, you know, so if I'm like, I want to buy this toaster, what are the people say about it? Anyway, and so there's a Weight Watchers, Reddit thread, group, whatever.
Unknown Speaker 22:29
And I was just reading what people were saying. And there's obviously people who will say this.
Unknown Speaker 22:35
And others that were like No, so I'm going to read some comments. One person said I did not have to complete bloodwork before that I got a prescription, which surprised me he was ready to send the prescription before I had gotten any bloodwork, which is it which is interesting because surely these medications are to improve health. They're not there to make people smaller. So that doctor is prescribing a medication that has a blackbox warning or you know black box is the name that we know but box warning about the risks. And we don't know anything about the person's bloodwork.
Unknown Speaker 23:16
Someone else's sequences a horrible program, they get your money and then tell you that nothing is available. And they do not know what the cost of the market medications will be. When you tried to cancel they have no cancellation policy, I literally paid for three months for nothing. They were able to help they were not able to help get any medications extremely disappointed. Do not join not worth the time or money. Someone else says sequences a waste of money. I've been waiting for nearly two months to get approved for medication and paying monthly dues the whole time. I think it's cheaper just to get a prescription from a plastic surgeon where I live it's only 250 to $350 a month only as a rich person and that way Who knows if I'll ever get approved. And who knows if I'll ever get approved on sequence. Someone else said my experience with sequence was awful complete scam, they steal your money promise to give you a script to lose weight, give you the smallest amount possible so that you have to keep paying for the monthly fee of $100 to get anything that will actually help and then when your insurance finally catches on that you don't have diabetes and stops paying they say okay, bye. Thanks for your money and have a great journey total scam. Don't waste your money.
Unknown Speaker 24:29
Yeah, so which is I can't remember what the quote was from there was a famous quote from the Chief Marketing Officer
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of Weight Watchers that says, like lol we basically have customers for life because she didn't say our diets don't work. But we have that's the beauty of whitewashes is people keep returning, returning and returning.
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So what did Oprah actually say about
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Oh what she's doing so in December 2023 She spoke to people. It says Oprah Winfrey reveals she uses weight uses weight loss medication as a maintenance tool. I'm absolutely done with the shaming. Oprah Winfrey is no stranger to scrutiny over her weights for as long as she has been in the public eye. The icons but a body journey has played out in the media on magazine covers and on episodes of her own upon eponymous hit talk show that ran for 25 seasons. It was a public sport to make fun of me for 25 years Winfrey tells people in this week's cover story. I have been blamed and shamed and blamed and shamed myself. One hurtful moment came early in her career when she landed on a Serb ik fashion critics Mr. Blackwell's list. I was on the cover of some magazine and it said dumpy, frumpy and downright lumpy recalls the CO producer of the new film of Color Purple. I feel I didn't feel angry, I felt sad. I felt her I swallowed the shame I accepted that it was my fault. No more she says. Winfrey who turns 70 Next month is optimistic that she now has a better handle on how to maintain a healthy weight long term and rid herself of shame once and for all. Using holistic approach I raise eyebrows that includes regular exercise and other lifestyle tweaks when Winfrey confirms that she has also added a weight loss medication to her regimen. weight fluctuations occupy five decades of space in my brain, yo yo, yo yoing and feeling like I can't just conquer this thing believing willpower was my feeling says Winfrey, who's dodged rehabilitation after knee surgery in 2021 kickstarted what has been steady weight loss over the last two years.
Unknown Speaker 26:40
Okay, now, and then she lists like the things that she does. And it's just Oh, Oprah. Sounds like you might have an IDI really wow. And so she filmed this thing. She filmed this thing where she basically did an advert for the pharmaceutical weight loss industry saying like, no more shame, which is, you know, the whole the whole big thing for
Unknown Speaker 27:06
sounding nice. But you know scamming people into paying for these drugs that don't work and harm others, people. And so Oprah is saying the whole thing that Oh, word is a disease. It's not about willpower. It's about the brain.
Unknown Speaker 27:23
And so yeah,
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I just feel like I would love,
Unknown Speaker 27:31
love to see if there was a history of interviews that Oprah has done talking about the new thing that has finally conquered this weight
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problem that she says that she that she perceives that she has,
Unknown Speaker 27:46
I would love to see an interview from like 10 years ago, when she started when she was on the board of joined the board of Weight Watchers where you know, where she's where she would theoretically be like, This is it. This is the end of my yo yo dieting and, you know, 10 years before that, when that when she was sponsor for something else, and
Unknown Speaker 28:04
10 years before that, when she you know, there was another diet she was trying. And so why is see she's so sure that because she's seen short term success, that this thing is a new like, is the thing? Well, because it's been sold, it's been sold so well. It's been, it makes people feel so much better. Rightfully so should be we should not be feeling shame about that, that fat bodies. It's so it feels so good for someone to say it's not your fault. It's not it's not your fault. There's no fault to be had. It's being fat. It's just a normal way to have a body, right. But that difference is that shift is so empowering for a lot of people, which is great, right? We want people to feel good, but feel good. And then like oh, well the solution is to take these dangerous drugs that don't work.
Unknown Speaker 28:52
You're so close. You're so close. Just just go to fat liberation, are you suppose
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I posted this on on on the Instagrams and said to people like what do you think? What do you think about this?
Unknown Speaker 29:05
As I was like, thinking about things, I was thinking about things and so people had lots of feelings like Oh, surprise, surprise. It's kind of ironic and the hang on isn't Wait, which is advertising, weight loss, drugs, and how sad all her success and she's still fixated on shrinking herself. She's brilliant. I wish she'd read and study real science. Someone else said I imagined she'll be a spokesperson for one of these medications soon. Weight Watchers gave me an eating disorder. I never support anything they do. So my take my take on all this is I'm not really that interested in Oprah right? I'm not interested in Oprah. I'm interested in like the shifting of shifting of tides and what the scammy companies are doing and so my thought one way watches is is a scam. Just like all diet companies. And anything that happens that make makes them lose money because their share prices dropped. Love it makes me happy. I find it amusing that Oprah has
Unknown Speaker 30:00
Maybe inadvertently outed them. Because she's she's been on the board. She's been at the kind of the center of knowing everything about weight loss, and she couldn't get that weight loss herself through Weight Watchers methods.
Unknown Speaker 30:18
Which to me, I'm like, Well, yeah, no shit, I bet your wiper has been working so fucking hard to become thin. For 70 years. It's kind of like she's been like pousse. This'll work by Weight Watchers.
Unknown Speaker 30:32
And so
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why is it a problem that she is taking a weight loss drug when
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Weight Watchers are selling a weight loss drug? Is it because it proves that their shitty diet doesn't work and it makes them look bad? My theory is because she had in her contract, she wasn't allowed to use any other weight loss drug, she wasn't usually allowed to use any other weight loss method. At the time, Weight Watchers weren't 10 years ago weren't in the drug selling business. Therefore, I think that it's weakens their stance that Weight Watchers as a diet and diet plan works. So that's a huge, huge part of their business, right? And that the answer is weight loss drugs. And so even if it is a drug that Weight Watchers sells, then that's what I think is their problem. It outs them from in shit. My other thoughts is I'm scared that even more people will lean into taking these drugs because Oprah and other celebs are and we don't know any long term data about them, we already know that they stopped working at a year, we already know the weight loss is minimal. We already know that side effects are really not great. My other thought is it's not my business will Oprah does with her body. It makes total sense that living a life in the public eye and in a historically excluded body would mean focusing on safety. And in many people's cases, safety can mean proximity to thinness, aka privilege. And whatever that someone does to survive, the world is up to them. And for many people I will never know or understand their struggles because of my own privilege. I feel like you know, it sucks that I felt like people were taking these drugs. I don't think that they're bad people, I don't think that they should be shunned. I don't think we should be making fun of them and being like, you're so silly. And you're so you're such a bad person for taking this drug?
Unknown Speaker 32:37
Because I don't think it's, it's,
Unknown Speaker 32:41
I think it's a smart way to go about it. And also, I just don't believe that about those people. I believe that people who are doing whatever they're doing
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on the whole are just trying their best, right? We've, we've all lived in an anti fat society, and depending on your body size, and how many privileges you have or don't have, then, you know, I know the pain, oh, the pain of living in that type of world. So if when I was in anti fatness and someone said that there's an injection that you could take 100% I would be the first in the line to get that injection to get relief from this perceived awful thing is awful characteristic that I had, which is my greed, my my which made me fat in my eyes.
Unknown Speaker 33:39
So to me, I'm just like, why it makes sense. The ones who are to blame or the people who are deceiving
Unknown Speaker 33:49
who are using fat liberatory language and messaging to sell this harmful drug and other drugs right there the motherfuckers the people who were the victims, or the people who were trying to just get along in life
Unknown Speaker 34:07
I want to say you know fat liberation is here if you ever want us we're here of your tables
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and also those complicated feelings of
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if that you've probably noticed online
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there's many influencers who who were who were previously happy fat influencers who were just like, oh, fuck the face Oh, fat liberation is the cow curl I'm I'm now taking this drug and follow me on my weight loss journey. And that can feel really really shit if you
Unknown Speaker 34:41
if you look up to someone,
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like if if the people that I look up to in fact liberation,
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certainly said that they're doing this thing I would be
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so I'd be upset. I'd be angry. I'd be
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I'd want to like out into the world and be like
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Listen, they're a terrible person, because I'd be having all these complicated feelings which is, which is natural, right?
Unknown Speaker 35:08
So anyway, so what I produces and also recognizing Oprah is a billionaire right so Oprah has a shit ton of power. However, that power that she has still has not protected her from from bias and bigotry and shit things happening.
Unknown Speaker 35:27
Which is, you know, it's interesting to think about, and also on the other side, that power she has a power to influence people. And what she does will influence many, many people. And her commitment to anti fatness really has slowed down our ability to change the conversation about fat liberation. Because we're still stuck at fatness is bad. I think it's complicated, right? So whatever Oprah does not my business, she wants to take weight loss drugs, how about it, but I am annoyed with the people who are you know, pulling the strings and not saying that Oprah is not pulling the strings Oprah has a ton of power. But it's I think it's there's more nuanced and complicated and shades of gray and all that type of stuff to it. My final thought on that is I am so glad that I will not be chasing fineness at 70 Like Oprah is and recognize that because that's the reason for that is because of my many privileges, like being white, like being British, like being
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pre disabled,
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etc. I have access to resources that mean that I can confront my own anti fatness. Also, Oprah has resources in regards to influence and billions of dollars where she could explore her own anti fatness, but my ability to explore my own anti fatness is you know, because of my own privilege and the way things have just gone in my life, you know, anyway, I'm so I'm glad that I'm not going to be 70 and still being like, how can I get thin? Because that sounds forgiving and exhausting, doesn't it? Right? If you are not pursuing fitness than you really like, Yes, I hear you have any that I'm tired by the thought of being 70 and pursuing fitness. And maybe you are 70. And you're just like, I'm just, I'm just learning about anti fat buyers now. And like, Thank God, I'm not going to be 90 and pursuing thinness. Because I absolutely can happen. So anything is to the day that we die. And I've told this story before. But what really kind of sticks with me is when one of my colleagues, he was his mum was dying. And she was she was old, right? Like 90 plus. And he was saying that. So she was in the hospital because she was she was dying. And they were like, You need to eat something. And she says no, because I don't want to get fat.
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And I remember him telling me that story of even then, you know, she didn't want to have a yogurt or whatever, because she might become fat. And I thought that that was really sad. Really, really sad. And I did not want to I did not want that to happen to me. When I'm on my deathbed if I am in a bed when I'm dying. I might be hit by a bus or
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taken by a eagle and eaten in a nest.
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I'm always worried about my dog did he get in taken by an eagle that when there's an eagle around, I'm like I'm watching you motherfucker. I know if they do that if Eagles take dogs. Anyway, whatever. I don't wanna think about it, because I don't
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want to think about drinking getting eaten by an eagle. Anyway, this is where my brain goes sometimes. Yes, our links for everything that I've spoken about.
Unknown Speaker 38:47
Probably not a great idea to go and click on the Weight Watchers link but it's there if you want to, if you're just if you're interested. Link to the Instagram post so you can put your thoughts and again like this is not this is really not about Oprah. I feel like I really want it you know, Weight Watchers and sequence to to get into the garbage can and all of these bullshit drugs. And and you know, and if it's a diabetes drugs, they should be in the hands of people who have diabetes, right.
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And the shortages and you know, people have trouble getting it because of because of companies like sequins prescribing it to people without without any information or your fat vodka. You got it?
Unknown Speaker 39:32
You know, it's not cool. It's not cool. So yeah, go and have a look at that Instagram post if you want. If you enjoy content like this, then you want you want to support fat live content, then go to my Kofi and donate whatever, don't have to if you don't want to, but if the $5 Tear for the $5 one you get the size diversity Resource Guide which is
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haha my vein. It's like seven pages of
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podcasts, listen to TEDx, talks, books, science places to shop, you know, so if you want some fat goodness in your in your life and by the way, being surrounded by fat liberation really helps shift our beliefs about our own bodies.
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So getting those different types of perspectives and opinions in your life, then it's really helpful. So you know, you get that for five bucks. If you subscribe on on cofee link in the bio if you just if you just want to go to it, it's KOF. I forward slash face fatty. You'll probably find it from that. But thanks for hanging out with me. I hope you're doing all right. I love Sofia. I think you know, what I'm gonna think I'm going to do is I'm going to start replaying older episodes. Because we've got 195 episodes, chances are you've you've probably not listened to or 185 Someone's out there being like, I have honey, you are dedicated. I love it. I love it. But even if you have listened to them, there's so many really good episodes that you probably would have forgotten about. I'm recording these episodes. And I forget what what I've said. Oh, no. What was that about? Okay, what did we talk about? Who is this? What is this? This sounds good. I want to listen to this. What did I say?
Unknown Speaker 41:21
Yeah, so I think I might do start doing replays in between the weeks so that you get some
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some, some content there for you. Yeah. The reason why if you didn't know we're down to one podcast a month is because for years I've been bankrolling the podcast myself, I have a an editor and I have an admin person. And so I've been paying to produce a podcast and I looked at the numbers of like how much I've spent on making the podcast and I was like, Oh, holy shit, a lot of money. And so I started doing cofee, which is kind of like Patreon to try and meet base costs just meet like the basic costs for editing and so that's not even my time.
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And so, we were doing an episode every single week and so far we've been able to meet paying for one podcast a month, I would absolutely love to do more. And so if we get enough Kofi donations and that 100% happen, I would love that to happen. So if you want more then go to cofee or not. I'm not the boss of you. You do what you want.
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All right. Well, thanks for hanging out with me today. Remember you are worthy you always were you always will be and stay fierce, fatty. See you next time. Goodbye.