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Welcome to the Fierce Fatty Podcast. I'm your host, Victoria Welsby and this is episode 109. Today, we're talking about the most ridiculous modern diets.

I'm Victoria Welsby TEDx speaker, Best Selling Author and fat activist. I have transformed my life from hating my body with desperately low self esteem to being a courageous and confident fifth party who loves every inch of this jelly. society teaches us living in a fat body is bad. But what if we spent less time, money and energy on the pursuit of thinness and instead focused on the things that actually matter? Like if pineapple on pizza should be outlawed? Or if the mullet was the greatest haircut of the 20th century? So how do you stop negative beliefs about your fat body controlling your life? It's the first fatty podcast Let's begin.

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Alright, so Hey, everybody, welcome to deputise diets. If you're tuning in live, feel free to give us a clap or a or a other noise. Oh, thank you. So, quick announcement before we get started, is that I wasn't able to change it in the app, but there's been a change to my identity. And that is, I'm, I'm non binary. That's not the change. But my new name is Vinny VI, N N Y. I've not been able to update the screen thing here. So it still says Victoria. Victoria's not like a dead name. To me. It's just you know, Vinnie spinneys, just has been a nickname of mine. Since I was like 14, I gave it to myself. Hello, given myself a stereotypical male name like head. There's a clue about what was going on in my brain.

2:06

Yeah, well, I'm excited.

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Thank you. Oh, thank you, Micah. Thank you. Thank you. So what are we talking about today?

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Well, Vinnie, should we just do a quick reintroduction of what the show is about and who we are?

2:19

Yes, please go on. Go for it. Okay, so

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this is our show death to diets. I am sommore Antonin. I am a professionally trained coach. And I specialize in helping people with body image, self worth and confidence. And we each have our own podcasts and shows and stuff. But we wanted to get together to do this show together to really talk about the ridiculousness of diets and the impact of diet culture on people. And we are not here to make fun of people who diet we are here to poke holes at the problem with the culture of dieting. So if you're a diner we're not making fun of you are shaming you

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know, we are we are jacket jacket jacket. Yeah, you. Yeah, so, I'm Vinny ol zvei. I'm just updating the fortune cookie summer. Maybe some of you can update the fortune cookie while I'm, while I'm talking. So I'm a very well be I'm a fat activist, TEDx speaker, bestselling author, all round incredibly good looking human being friend of summer. And yeah, someone I believe that it's okay to be fat that diets suck balls and diet culture can just eat up swinging ticks. And so that is what death to diets is is is forcing diet culture to soccer swinging tips, basically. Isn't that right summer?

3:50

I mean, that's I feel like that's really the tagline you should put on your website. Yeah. Yeah. Considered updating.

3:57

Yeah. Yeah. And I've noticed today actually, my top is I'm fatter than when I wore this top before and it's like, stretched really thin and you can see my bra underneath and I'm just like, I'm feeling very Kim Kardashian today. You know, like, I didn't see the orange bra. Can you see my orange bra?

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I can Yeah, I was wondering because I was put on too much self tanner or No, I just have orange dates. Okay, so trigger warning the replay. isn't everyone's gonna head over to YouTube to watch the replay of the video.

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See globes? Yes. So while I'm thinking about it, quick trigger warning. We're going to be talking about diets which are 1,000,000,000% Fucked up today. And so if that's not feeling good for you, and you don't want to hear about the actual what's inside the diet like they're in The instructions. They're ridiculous, by the way, they're ridiculous. So if that's not feeling good for you today, then just a heads up to maybe go and do something else or watch something else.

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Yeah, totally. I feel like this is important because we are going to be getting into the ridiculous specifics of a couple of different things that we've seen recently. This is January, we're being inundated with the worst of the worst in terms of diet ads. And we both came across a couple of things that we just could not believe were real. And, and so that we're we're unpacking some of that today, as well as like getting into some of the, you know, the feedback from some of you in terms of what's the most ridiculous thing that you've ever seen or done, as it relates to dieting. And so yeah, just reiterating. You know, if you're in eating disorder recovery, if you find this stuff triggering or it's gonna make you want to actually restrict food or do any of that then to note please

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tune out you said it wrong. You said tune with t o n. So it's ch U any tune out?

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fanatically they're different.

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You say tune in, I say tune.

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Tune. Tune out. Yes.

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So so my tell us the first thing that you found that you were like, What the fuck is this? Yeah.

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So I saw a couple of people posting about this, it was something called 75 hard, which, you know, just off the bat, you kind of get a feeling that it's like going to be 75 days obvious.

6:43

And it makes me think when I think 75 hard, it just makes me think of an erection. It just is.

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Hard to but that's because

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you do the you do the hard poop. I'll go for the hard deck. I'd rather have a hard deck than a hard boop, I don't know, your preferences. You do what you do use if you want to have a hard ARPU, that's great. 75 hard.

7:10

Yeah. So I looked into it. And it's essentially it is 75 days. So there's no, it's pretty obvious. And it's you. You follow a diet, you get to pick your own diet, but it has to be strict.

7:24

So festival so flexible. Oh my God loving it so far. Yeah. And

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you know, it's and then okay, let me go through the rules first, and then yeah, so you have to pick a diet. And no cheat days, not even one. Otherwise, you have to go back to day one and start all over. In addition, it's you work out not once a day, twice a day, every day for 75 days. One of those must be outdoors. What doesn't matter what the weather is? Because

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what the heck is that got to do with anything? And who who is able to do this people without jobs two pounds a day

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for 45 minutes each. So you know, you think an hour and a half plus like, you know, whatever to get ready for it to finish it to shower and like yeah, you're pretty much investing your whole day your your life and like you don't sleep, which is why there's no sleep roll it out. Yeah, yeah. And no, no, I'll circle back to this after but this is actually like, when I had an eating disorder, this is kind of what I did. And so that's why this is like so horrible. But I couldn't even keep this up. Like I could never even do it this many days in a row. Like it was like, you know, a couple days a week or something. But, um, the reason why it has to be outside is because you can't always control things in your life like the weather and so it's about building up mental toughness. That's what this is about. It's Oh, yeah. Oh,

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my science sound scientific. Yes. Uh huh. Yep, yep. Okay, makes total sense. Sarcasm Yes.

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No, no cheat meals no alcohol you have to drink a gallon of water a day.

9:16

Why why where where does this fucking watershed come from somebody like

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me probably gonna be pretty thirsty if you're working out for an hour and a half

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this is true. And maybe that's what it is is like you're going to be fucking exhausted you're going to be so tired from all the working out you're not going to be able to eat you'll just be able to lie and say for a drink that gallon of water because that's what we're getting we can be able to do Yeah,

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yeah. And and you have to read 10 minutes of a nonfiction book. No audio books aloud.

9:51

What? Nonfiction, nonfiction nonfiction Yeah.

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Yeah. So our like

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okay, so fiction books are inferior. The fiction books that are not going to help you lose weight and audiobooks are not going to help you lose weight. But nonfiction that is where the ship is read nonfiction book you're gonna be thin as fuck

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makes Yes. Here's the kicker is that they claim my like I don't I'm not gonna say this person's name random meathead that they say that this is not actually about weight loss. Yet one of the last the final rule is you have to take a transformation picture every day. Oh,

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I'm not about weight loss make any sense? Victor's Wow, I love I love it when they they're like, not about weight loss, we're anti diet. But I'm etha King, nothing workout 75 hours a day and take pictures of your body every single day. Not about weight loss, not about weight loss. It's like, it's like, it's almost like they think if they whisper the word weight loss, then if they don't, then people are gonna be like, Oh, this is all about health. And you know, they're going to get under the radar of the bullshit radar. But lucky, we're here to decode it. Although I don't think this one summer needed that much decoding that is

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pretty. It's pretty, it's pretty obvious. And like, what I find what I found so shocking about this, like, so, you know, I've done my fair share diets. I've done them all. And, you know, usually there, there's like that, you know, they're like 21 days, 30 days, like this, this, it's almost like someone came in and was like, Yeah, I'm just gonna pick a random number and make this into a thing. And this is literally like an eating disorder. This isn't like, this is like a prescription for an eating disorder. Like if someone came to me and they said, This is what I'm doing, I would probably refer them to like a, an eating disorder clinic or a specialist because this is so beyond like, this is beyond, you know, kind of a typical diet. This is this is like really putting your body into this extreme, extremely stressful state of deprivation. And the idea that like what happens after day 75, like, then that then what you know, like, if you have any, like, your bot is not going to stay at that weight. No way in

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75 is the shortest amount of days it could be because, you know, you get into day 30 And you I know, eat some food or don't go work out in the snowstorm and you have to go back to day one. So 75 is the minimum amount of days that they're saying you need to do this bullshit. Yeah,

13:10

yeah. And then what like, I just, I mean, I feel bad. I don't want to have pity people but like, we both know the outcome of this, you either getting an eating disorder and staying that way or you are your body's going to, like really backfire on you. And you're going to just feel like a absolute failure and feel even worse.

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And how like, just even the fucking reading thing like saying this, that certain type of reading is more superior to another type of reading. It's like things that should bring you pleasure or fun or you know, education even that's being judged. And so what are you left with? Like, when you when you stop this this ridiculousness, then you're left with being like, I'm a piece of shit, because I only drank three quarters of a gallon of water. And I read, I listened to an audio book for an hour, so I'm a piece of shit, you know, because I'm not doing this hard. 75 Bollocks. Yeah,

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yeah, it's, uh, like, I mean, it just it goes to show that, you know, although some days I feel like we're making some headway with the message of, you know, you don't need to dye it and diets are really harmful and, and all this other stuff. You see something like this and you see how things just keep getting more extreme like it, you know, like, it's like taking it's like, what's next? It's gonna be like 100 days and then it's gonna go you know, 365 days and then yeah, you know, it's just it's just like the obsession just keeps getting bigger and bigger and and obviously this person is only going to likely in some capacity profit off of this ultimately and profit off The fact that people fail and think that they have to keep coming back and starting over from day one because they're not tough enough and all this other bullshit.

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And some this guy, this this guy, this delightful human being, um, do we know anything about his potential political leanings?

15:20

This is a very superficial research. I mean, I'm going to wager to bet that they are leaning to a different side than we

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Trump supporter summer.

15:41

I feel there might be some some some alignment, there are definitely some anti Vax propaganda. Oh, yeah.

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love a bit of the anti Vax stuff. Yeah, just. It's amazing. Amazing. This, you know that I'm on the dating scene summer. You've told me all about him. I want to meet him. Can you introduce me?

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I'm actually like afraid but rather. I don't even want to say the person's name. Because

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I mean, you know, could you imagine? All the time? Oh, because he's fucking hungry and tired and eaten. Yeah, yeah.

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They're coming out of hibernation.

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Oh, my God. And so did you. Did you have this advertised to you?

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Um, no, I I saw it like in a couple of places like mentioned and, and so I I was like, What is this? No, it's just me. I my advertising settings are pretty locked down.

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Oh, really? What's your um, do you have like a trick so that you know, advertised with all this bullshit.

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I mean, you just go I was just gonna check my settings in, in social media, like every once in a while. And then, like, always, like, report things as misleading or scam or, or violent? And I don't know, do you still use to get out ads for this

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stuff all the time? Are you but less because I changed my gender to male on Facebook?

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Ah, isn't that interesting?

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And now I get like some cool ads for like, you know, meat and leather and shit like that, you know? So I'm like, maybe that's why I started eating meat again recently summer. Because I was a vegetarian for like, eight years. And recently I started eating meat because it just popped into my head and I want to eat meat. And maybe it's because I've been advertised to

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buy oh my gosh, yeah, my husband gets ads for so many cooler things than me. But when that iOS went through the updates, I left it so they could track me for the specific purpose that I wanted to be advertised things that I'm actually interested in instead of just random stuff that they think like a 40 year old woman would want which Yeah, so that probably helps, because I don't go to like any of the websites that would have, you know, diets on them.

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Yeah, yeah. But you know what, though, I was reading about how advertisement works. And it's a lot of it is where you go physically and who you spend time with. And so say if you went to your mum's house, and your mum uses a certain brand of toothpaste, and she bought it on her loyalty card, and so it's trapped on her loyalty card and you went to her house and spent a week there, then you're more likely to get an advertisement for that toothpaste come up on your feed. And so probably because neither of us are really spending that much time with dieters. We don't get a lot of that stuff coming up. But you probably do interact with them on social media. Yeah, maybe? Ah,

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I don't know. It helps that I'm a recluse.

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Any friend, some I'm not even your friend. I'm just here

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to talk about what you saw.

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Yeah. So the I was targeted with an advertisement and I was just so fucking excited. Because when I saw it, I was like, What is this shit? So the advertisement I saw was a video of people smiling, like really big smile, and then putting something on their arm. And when they put the thing on their arm, but they winced. They always like, through the smile like a wince. And I was like, What is this and it was like lose weight, like with science. And so I had a look into it. And I discovered that diet culture has stolen a diabetes tool. And so a diabetes management tool that people who are diagnosed with diabetes is called a continuous glucose monitor. Monitoring System CGM continuous glucose monitoring. And what it is, is a patch where a needle is inserted into your skin, and your blood glucose levels are monitored. And a wonderful piece of equipment for people who have diabetes, really important because some people will use it because they might have a hard time monitoring their blood sugar levels for whatever reason, or maybe you're not able to communicate what their blood sugar levels are doing.

And also, it's just nice to have that as a source of information for people who have diabetes, because the results of not knowing what's going on with your blood sugar's if you have diabetes is you know, you could potentially die or have have bad side effects. So diet culture saw their shit and was like, Oh, how can we use this to make money and tell people that they need to have it? And so I've been poking around the website, which means that I've been getting so many of their adverts now, which is it fucking annoying? They're like, Oh, they're so close to buying? I'm like, No, but I am so far away. Yeah, and with this is with this tracking device. diabetic people have been using it for years.

And, and just an FYI. Is it's cost prohibitive for a lot of diabetic people because it's expensive, especially in North America. And so you think okay, so there's probably a lot of good evidence to show that this helps with weight loss, what do you reckon summer?

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Ah, no, for $100.

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No over $100 some of your car, cars, there isn't any evidence to show this is going to help people lose weight. What it will help you lose, though, is a shit ton of money. Because for two weeks, the first two weeks costs you $175. And so that's 350 bucks a month to have this thing stuck on your arm monitoring your glucose levels. And so what they're saying this does is it will tell you when you are allowed to eat and when you have to exercise. And so, you know, the whole using external cues to to work out when you should eat and force you to exercise is always so great for your mental health. Good for your mental health.

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So that again, I said it's a great use of time.

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And it tells you guess how often it tells you what your blood glucose levels

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are? Is it like every three hours?

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Try every 15 minutes? Every 15 minutes I'll tell you what to do. And so yeah, I just had a quick look around their website to see you know, all of the science that they've got and I just wanted to give you the the the beginning of an article that I read and I want you to maybe some of you can give me a little kind of shout out of a bullshit when you hear something which doesn't sound like it is backed up with evidence. And anyone listening if you want to give a I don't know, some cyber I'd know some type of emoji like a shit sound or something when usually no one yeah, there's a poor one. Yeah, who what? When you hear something from this little um, it's just a little thing. Why this isn't that title of it. How glucose tracking can effectively manage your way is the name of it. So, get ready settling for storytime remember some shout out when you hear a little bit of bullshit. If you only remember one point from this article, let it be this being a healthy weight helps us live longer.

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happier lives my poster for

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happier lives. Would you say that you're happier than me because because of your weight? No. Lose losing extra weight is proven to reduce cancer and heart disease.

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No, no, that's good.

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And guess what? Losing weight increases focus and energy

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Oh, yeah, that's gonna be

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Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, well bar.

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So we can choose the best path to weight loss. I mean, like, just the thing, this the set the start of this, this thing saying how you can effectively manage your weight. I mean, if they had found something to make fat people thin, this would be world breaking like massive, massive news, because that is not one single scientific study to show any type of diet works. And so if a group of scientists had found something that worked, that would be huge news, huge news. But you know, they're not. They're not mentioning any of the science that they've got, because they don't have any science. Yeah. And so that is what that is about. But you know, what, some, something that gave me great happiness was the Facebook comments

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that was yet hands down. When you said that to me. I was like, these columns. I'm like, thank goodness. Again, it shows that some things are changing. Oh, my God.

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Yes. Yeah. Cuz I tagged you in it. And I was like, Look at this bullshit. And then I looked at the other comments, and everyone was like, What the fuck is not everyone? Like, I'd say 80% of people.

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A lot of the top comments were people saying like, this is for people with diabetes, like I have type one diabetes. There's no way like, no one wants to wear this thing.

27:18

Like, your pancreas is doing its job. You don't need this. Like, yeah, so a lot of people were really, really mad. The only upside I see to a device like this is if there's more in production, then it might lower the cost for people with with diabetes. And that's the only upside. And so I mean, if rich people want to spend a gajillion. dollars on this thing. I mean, go for it. I mean, is not going to be great. But But yeah. So there's one thing that I wanted to mention, because Pete, some people in the comments were like, Oh, well, it's a good thing. Because if you can monitor your blood glucose to see if you might develop diabetes, like you know, the diagnosis of pre diabetes. Have you got any thoughts on that summer?

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Yeah, I think that I'm not the expert on, like a podcast episode coming up with a couple experts. Oh,

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yeah, yeah. But,

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um, but from what I understand the likelihood, if you have that is it's not like super high that you're actually going to develop diabetes and diabetes is so much of it is genetic. And therefore, like, I don't think this tool is really the the answer to you know, trying to either manage, like trying to prevent it. I think there's other ways that are going to be a lot more economical and sustainable.

28:58

Mm hmm. Yes, exactly. And I always thought, like, with pre diabetes, I was like, oh, okay, well, then, you know, that's probably a good indicator that you're probably it's probably, you know, it's probably going to develop into diabetes, but according to the CDC, fewer than a letter and well guess what percentage of people who are diagnosed with pre diabetes do we think develop into type two diabetes?

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Isn't it like 7% or something like that? Lower?

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Is it is it five low?

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Is it three? Is it one,

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fewer than 2% of people with the pre like pre diabetes diagnosis develop? Type Two Diabetes, according to CDC, okay. And and it's the same with it's the same with the BMI You know how the BMI categories overnight was changed the categories for what classes classify someone as having diabetes or not having diabetes? Same thing drug companies were like, oh, let's make some more money from these motherfuckers. Same thing, love with the category. And that's, that's what it is. So wow, what

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I found so ridiculous about this is like, like, what? Like, what's next? Like, is it that you're just gonna have you know, like wires attached to your head? And like a heart monitor? Like, do you want to be treated as if you're ill when you're not? What? illness like, I, I just don't get like, I mean, I understand why people buy this because you want to, like, you know, like I said, the desire to lose weight is like an innocent response to living in the the culture that we live in. And it's like, you know, what's next? Like, if you have to monitor something every 15 minutes, like, what are you to track all your steps, you have to load all your food into a thing, like, like, they're, we're literally being treated like we're robots, when none of this stuff actually has validity to it. And all people were just existing, just fine. Before all of this. All of this stuff came along, but it's all just capitalizing on people's fear, like people's fear of gaining weight, people's fear of, you know, being being fat and all this stuff. And it's like, it's just, it's, it's, it's really predatory. Like it's ultimately really predatory.

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Yeah, yeah. And it's all these like, biohacking trend as well of, of, I have control, I have ultimate control over my health. And if I biohack, myself and my health well enough, then I will live forever for as you know, as long as I can. But the truth is, most of our health is completely out of our control. And it's to do with socio economic status it to do with the color of our skin, it's to do with our, our sexual orientation, our exposure to guns, so many different things, but you don't see health companies being like, you know, what, we're gonna make you healthy by trying to end racism, because they gonna make them money. He's gonna,

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yeah, who are they trying to make healthy hair, like people who obviously have the resources to pay $350 a month to invest in something like this, let alone like all the other stuff that you probably have to invest in to try to, you know, whatever. It's like the super foods or supplements and all these other all these other things, and like, it's really ultimately just using so much time and energy that could be dedicated to other endeavors. You know, when I was a chronic Deiter, it was a full time job. It was literally like a full time job on top of my full time job. That's all I did. And if you you know, now that I don't have that, it's like, you don't realize how much time and energy goes goes into that and how how much that takes away from from really living. It's like what you want to be like, so healthy and extend your life but for for what to spend more time tracking stuff like what Yeah, living like if that is not the life that we want? Yeah, no,

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not for me. Not for me either. Sounds like a lot of dog shirts. And those two, once the asked is, can what Sakas winging tetes? Sure, for sure. For sure, for sure, for sure. When I was reading about this thing, I admit that there was a little part of me that was like, oh, maybe this would work. Why do you think that is?

34:06

Time? It'll be it's the, the shiny object syndrome is what you what you call him, right? Like, maybe and this is the thing it hits that dopamine. It's like, who? Maybe this time I'll be different. And it gives you that sense of like, potential hope. And that's what's so deceptive about

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it. Yeah. Yeah, cuz imagine, like, if you know me, I know 510 years ago, if I had 350 bucks to spare, I can imagine myself being like, oh my god, it's only 350 bucks and then I'll be thin and then I'll find a great boyfriend and then I'll get a great job and then I've been walking down the street and just feeling so confident 350 thoughts it's nothing and that hope of what could that by me? But now Thank fuck I feel able to decode this bullshit and kind of sift through all of that language to say? Because I don't think so I'm not so sure that it is. Yeah.

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And I understand I mean, and like, here's the thing is that you you have been doing this for a long time. I've been doing this for a long time. And but it's still, like, they're still like that little like, maybe, you know, maybe, and I totally, I probably would have worn that thing back in the day, because I would have thought that was like the answer, you know, like, the one thing that's finally going to help me like, you know, lose the weight once and for all. And, and, and it's just like, it's a shame that there's always going to be something new like this. Probably in our lifetime. We may not hope not. But

35:49

yeah, yeah. And I think the the one thing, the one thing that I am, I always go back to is, is what evidence do we have? What long term evidence do we have, because the articles that I was reading by this company in similar companies were, oh, we tracked people for a week, we track people for two weeks, and it showed that they lost weight. And the golden like, number that we want to look at is three to five years minimum. And so has this product been around for minimum three to five years with follow up results with also tracking data from people who fell off? Who who didn't finish the diet? Because the their bodies were like, I don't this is not for me, not because they were bad, or lazy or anything like that. Because a lot of the times, diagrams will say, Oh, we've got an 80% success rate of the two people who stayed around from the study out of the 100 people, and the study was three weeks long. And so to just do a very little look at a very short, quick look into the science will make you know, like, oh, is this good science? Or is this a lot of bullshit?

37:06

Yeah, and I think it's easy to think that like, maybe you'll be that one person. You know, I may not one person. But I think you have to look at your own personal history to what is your experience been with it? What have you done before, knowing that none of those failures or like the, the lack of success of those diets was your fault? I mean, it's like, the reason why they dropped those people out of the studies, they blame it on, they make it like a personal responsibility thing. But really, it's because your body is biologically wired to fight back against it. Yeah. You're not meant to, you're not meant to stay in a state of, of, of restriction. And it's like, it's a lifetime membership. Like, if you start that you have to keep that up for the rest of your life. If you want to stay that way.

And even then you probably won't know, like, it's not just like, it's never a short term. thing. It's never 30 days, it's never 75 days, it's never, you know, two weeks, it's all it's like, you're you're like I would have to you'd have to do that for the rest of your life. And I think that's a thing, something to really ask yourself, like, do I can I do that? And 95% of people aren't going to be able to do that, because their body's just going to fight back and the other 5% have an eating disorder. So yeah,

38:25

and I would be in that kind of person who's like, I remember when I was on fucking Weight Watchers. I was one of the people who would weigh people in Weight Watchers. And I was like, all these other people can't lose weight, because they're so fucking lazy. Not like me. I'm dedicated. I'm desperate to be thin, so I will do anything. But yeah, that's fine. I would have done anything. But my body was like, Bitch, I fucking think so. I went, so I didn't have that control to be able to

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do that. No, no. And if it did, it would have meant you had an eating disorder, which is not okay, you know, so.

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So I see it like if you don't complete a diet, that your brain is so fucking magical and strong and incredible that it saved you from this thing. So I don't see it as failing at all I see as as people having really cool bodies and brains. So yeah, your

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body is trying to protect you. And isn't that an amazing thing that it's trying to trying to do that for you? Yeah. Yeah. Did you get any feedback on like ridiculous diets from

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people? I asked my audience about ridiculous diets. Everyone said the grapefruit diet and I think that's what your people said to which is funny because

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the flip one I never did, but now

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I hate grapefruit is too It's too bitter for me. So yeah, but that is a pretty ridiculous. I think like that's the cornerstone of shit diets, right? Not that they're only for diets but it's like Like the, the kind of the celebrity of ship diets, you know, it's

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it's like it's got longevity or it's like, you know the Dick Clark of diets or

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you know, it's got taken the name

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look it up because I was like, does it just mean eating grapefruit? Or I was like no, but it's like grapefruit with every meal, which I feel would give me a yeast infection. So Oh, I thought it was just eating grapefruit. Grapefruit, like, you have to eat. Oh, it's like, it's like, well, I did a quick Google search. And there's there's many variations of it. It's been around since the 30s. But it's I think it's like a very low calorie diet with the addition of grapefruit. Every meal, like drinking and eating

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I believe magic. Yeah. Sounds magical. Like, I can like feel my mouth. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Now I counted all my tea, you know? Yeah. No, I like that. Not. Doesn't sound fun.

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Yeah, no, I don't want to like I like grapefruit, but not not. No, thank you.

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No. Have you ever done any ridiculous diets?

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Yeah, yeah. So um, I mean, so many, so many. But though I made up one myself at one point in time, where I was basically just like, like, I tried to replace all these foods with broccoli. Just you see, I was eating like bowls full of broccoli.

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When like, you had like broccoli? untoasted. Like,

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no, no, no, it was just like, instead of like having like pasta with dinner, I would have broccoli. Like it was just like it. And I don't even know why. Like, I just remember it was this thing where I was like, I'm doing the broccoli diet like

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you gonna have like, broccoli as a new grapefruit. I mean, you needed to push this you could have been the new fancy diet.

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I could make like millions of dollars. Probably. I should probably do that. We

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should do that. I mean, come on now.

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Yeah, it was before I was going to be a Bheatha in when I was like, 23. And I was like, so determined to like, be this was in the generation of like, you know, when friends was on TV and like Paris Hilton and like, people were like rail thin. Like that was the standard Right? Um, anyways, it didn't work out. So

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don't try not at all. Shame, shame, shame. What at that time? Was the culture in Canada to have loads of shows of people going to like a B for you know, Spanish places and flash their tips? Was that a big thing? In England it was.

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You show tits on TV a lot more there. Eve that what I think there were elements of that. Like, I remember there was a show at Tara Reed, which was like it was called like wild on with terrorists or wild on was the show.

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And there was a lot of that because I remember because I was a little bit. I'm a few years younger than you. And so I remember at that time, I wasn't quite yet, like 18. So maybe I was like 15. And being watching all of those shows being like, as an adult, you have to go to a Bheatha and you have to flash your tits for the boys. And I just remember being like, I need to I need to get like surgery to become thin. So I can flash my tits at the boys because that's what it is to be an adult. Like, I just thought it was an inevitable part of my life. But most of the time, I'd be flashing my IDs while on a bus with a camera crew. And it's not yet a real.

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That was a real early 2000s. Like late 90s. Like thing. Yeah, it was was like, like flashing. But you know what, I never saw it when I was there. I never did it myself. So what's the craziest or the most ridiculous what you've done

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the most of mine would were pretty mainstream. But the one that I remember doing is thinking because I was still very young that to lose weight, your food had to have no flavor. And so I remember almost only exclusively eating boiled pasta, and nothing else. No sauce on it, because I thought the lack of flavor is what made you thin. And so it made no sense but dieting makes no sense. And obviously, I was I was bad. So yeah, that one might

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not just sounds like so awful. Yes. So all too

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Yeah. Yeah. And I will still in my mind pastor is kind of like just such a boring food and now I've just made that connection on my why is because of

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Oh interesting. Yeah. I'm just pastor.

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It's so boring. But there's actually lots of delicious pasta. So

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Oh yeah. I love it. You Yeah wow um should we wrap it up then?

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Yes, let's wrap it up because I'm going to go dogs eating some doggies and you're going to go not not dogs at not human sitting because it's your child. So you wouldn't you just say called being a parent that's what it's called forgotten the words. You got to be a parent. I gotta be a dog sitter. So where can people find you some

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people can find me at the body image coach calm and or anywhere at some are in in in but you can get a free 10 Day body confidence makeover at my website, which is the body image coach calm. What about you, Vinny?

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Well, you can find me at fierce fatty.com My podcast is first fatty. And if you go on to facebook.com The first thing you'll see is get the first fatty body love roadmap. Press a button to download it. There you go. Bob's your uncle Fanny's your aren't perfect.

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So that's Oh, I have a podcast called Eat the rules to thank you.

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No one wants to know about your fucking podcast selling Jesus trying to get zero listeners to your podcast. Like a gajillion listeners.

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Um, well, it's been so lovely. Thank you for listening.

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Yeah, thanks for everyone who came live I was surprised when I see people listening live. I'm like Hello people. Hi. Hello. Hello. So yeah, thanks for listening everybody. And we'll see you on the next episode in two weeks on okay. I

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