Episode 196 Transcript

You're listening to the Fierce Fatty podcast. I'm your host, Vinny Welsby. My pronouns are they/them.

This is episode 197: Liberals love fat-shaming people they don't like. Let's do it.

Hello, welcome to the show. Sorry, I've been missing.

I forgot about time. I had a really busy beginning of the year. Had so many presentations, and then I was finishing the fat at work report, and then I was sharing the fat at work report.

I had an idea for an episode, and I was like, oh, yeah, I'll do that next week when I'm done this thing. And two months has passed. So not like me.

But I'm back. I'm back. What's the Arnold Schwarzenegger quote? I'll be back, baby.

Is that what he says? Terminator quote. That film fucked me up as a kid. Did it you did you watch it as a kid? Oh, my God.

The scene where he puts, he has the liquid knife and the woman's drinking milk. No, no, don't like it. So update.

I just mentioned I've released the fat in healthcare report. That was the results from the survey that I did. 270 people responded to the survey.

Thank you so much. I so appreciate it. If you were one of those people who shared, shared their stories.

So we've got stats and stories. We had a previous podcast where I shared some of the stories halfway through the process. But it is just believably unbelievable how awful it is.

So the results showed that it's worse to be fat and trying to access healthcare than it is being in the workplace. The results for fat in the workplace was that 95 point something. Can't remember off the top of the head, but 95% of fat folks said that they experienced bias in the workplace.

The fat and healthcare one was 99 point, I think 65. So almost 100%. And if you're fat, you're probably nodding your head saying, yeah, that sounds about right.

You know when you say to people, guess, guess, what do you think? Because you've got like a really high number or something, but with this number, I say guess, guess what percentage. And it's so annoying because you all know already it's like 100. And so people say 100 and you have to be like, yeah, 99.

You know, you can't impress press them with a big number. Not that it's impressive that almost 100 of people, fat people experience bias in healthcare, but you know what I mean? You know what I mean? You want the person to go no. Oh, my God.

I can't believe it. But fat people believe it because we know, right? Which sucks. You can go download that report.

It's like 80 plus pages. It's really fucking good. I spent so long making it.

I'm very proud of myself for doing it. Just me, on my own doing it. Download it for free.

The link will be in the show notes. Or if you forget at any point, you can go to my website or Instagram. I say websites.

I've got fiercefatty.com and I've also got weight inclusive consulting.com. so, yeah, let's talk about what we're talking about today, shall we? Yes.

Okay. All right. So the reason why I wanted to talk about liberals loving a little bit of fat shaming is that.

So I started following this culture writer, like an Internet culture writer who was. I found out about her because she was on a podcast that I love. She's thin, seemingly privileged from what I can observe in her other identity factors.

She's smart, she's progressive. So I subscribed to her substack and her substack. She would send, like, what's happening on the Internet type things.

And one of the things that she sent, like a month in was this article from Gizmodo. And the article is titled Notes on a Meme, the Grotesque pleasure of bloated J.D. vance pictures.

When I saw that it was just the title and the link and I went and clicked on it and I was like, oh, no. Oh, no, no. I mean, just even from the title.

Bloated. Grotesque. Bloated and grotesque in the same sentence, right? Fat equals grotesque.

I was like, well, red flag. So anyway, I looked at it and I was like, this is not cool. I emailed her and I said, hey, by the way, this is anti fat.

She apologized. She said she removed it from her subscript substack so new people won't see it. Amazing.

Love it. So cool that she did that. She said that she.

She just put the article in. She didn't really read it, wasn't too aware of it. That it was just like a current trend that she was reporting on.

Which, I mean, I get it. I understand. But from the title, quickly.

Maybe I, maybe, maybe just because I'm doing this work, it was easy for me to pick out that there's problems. The grotesque and bloated like the problems. So let me just read that one article.

It's a short one. I'll link to everything in the show notes. So, J.D.

vance, for those who don't know who are not in the States is the Vice President. He is a giant piece of shit, terrible person. And people, left wing people actually.

Let's read this article. So I don't need to tell you what's going on. I'm going to read the article.

It's not long, so. Notes on a meme. The grotesque pleasure of a bloated JDV Vance of bloated JD's Vance pictures.

Every day that goes by brings more and more horrifying pictures of the Vice President, the United States, and I love them all by Matthew Galt Published March 6, 2025 and so the first picture we have here is a an image of JD Vance as a nuclear explosion in an Akira comic book panel. So it's a black and white image and it's of a very fat head of, of J.D. vance.

So him as a very fat person and his head has, you know, the equivalent of his fatness of his head has caused nuclear explosion. So like many of you, this is the article I spend a lot of time texting back and forth with my friends. Many of those text chains are now inundated with pictures of J.D.

vance. Maybe you've seen them. There are new ones every day.

The bearded jd, the bearded Vice President bloats, his eyes grow huge. He's a carnival grotesque, his chin widening, his shape contorting. Often he says please, so please, but with a W.

Listen to the words that are being used to describe this. Right? You can hear the hate for J.D. vance, which is, by the way, I don't like he's a piece of shit.

I already just said that just in case if you ever confused me defending. I'm not defending Jade Evans. I'm critiquing anti fatness.

JJ Devance is a piece of shit. But this person is, is clearly really doesn't like JD Vance and feels ritualic towards him and has the same feelings likely about fat people and doesn't realize it. Let's continue.

So now there's a picture, there's a meme. It says I shared my toys with you. You said, have you said thank you once in reference to the Ukrainian president was.

Yeah, yeah. That was when the Ukrainian president was in the White House. And J.D.

vance said, have you even said thank you for the aid we've given you? And so then he's fat. He's wearing a kid's hat and a lollipop. I'm obsessed with these pictures.

I have dozens saved on my phone and hard drive. There's Goth JD Vance, JD Vance with a giant lollipop JD Vance as a dying Darth Vader. JD Vance is a nuclear explosion and JD Vance as Chicken McNuggets.

Then there's the image of Chicken McNuggets. And they're all fat faces, right? They're all fat faces. Early vice presidential memes emphas Vance's smoky eyes and chubby cheeks.

Of the two strains, the chubby Vance is now dominant. Hmm, I wonder why the eyeliner didn't get emphasized but the chubby cheeks did? Could it because we are really focused on hating fat folks? Oh, I don't know. For months now I've seen pictures of Vance circulate circulating that inflate him.

This is typical of what I see now. A grotesque and inflated JD Vance with cold dead blue eyes staring out at the viewer with horrifying intensity. He looks like a Cabbage Patch doll that's been left in the sun.

Vance is the Pepe the frog of 2025. A pedalictical figure mixed and remixed in an endless mimetic frenzy. His ever expanding body and meme form reminds me of the 4chan driven meme magic of 2016.

What became of Pepe? In the end, his creator won some lawsuits and got into NFTs. That's non fungible tokens. He died as a meme mostly and transformed into Groper.

Pepe was often, but not always ironically racist. Groper is just a single. Groper is just a straight up racist.

The bloated final form of the frog is a favorite among avowed hate mongers like Nick Fuentes. Nick Fuentes is a another piece of shit. He was the guy that said when Trump won.

What did he say? Like I'm in charge of your body now and then. He was upset because people came to his home and knocked on the door and he's like, leave me alone. Anyway, Vance's current mimetic form resembles that of the Groper but somehow less human.

Less human. Notice that Dehumanisation or fatness. Groper stares at the viewer with a little smile and twinkle in his eyes.

Chubby Vance's huge eyes, empty of everything but malice. A strange thing about the bloated Vance memes is that they cut across the nation's fraught cultural divide. I've seen Vance's bloated form shared by Nazis, conservatives and liberals.

Interesting. So all party lines are united, finding fatness grotesque. That's me.

That's me saying that I've seen his putrid. Putrid. I mean, just listen to this language.

I've seen his putrid form bubbling in the depths of nasty anonymous image boards as well as pleasant, queer, friendly discords. Isn't that interesting? Vice presidents often fill a unique role in an administration. As a jester.

Dan Quayle misspelled potato during an elementary school spelling bee and never lived it down. Harris Biden, Mike Pence and Al Gore all took their turns as perilous fools in public perception. What happened to what's happening to Vance is no difference, but it does seem more intense.

I think the reason the memes are so popular and cut across partisan lines is that there's something uniquely alien and awful about Vance. The means somehow reflect an essential truth about Vance. My favorite of the bunch so far is one that shows off a group of the chubby character caricature caricatures, quote.

And yet a trace of the true self exists in the false self. The meme reads, this is the heart of it, I imagine. Vice president soul.

The vice president's soul is putrid, a barren and vile thing. The mean shows meme. She means show me a small fiction that speaks to a deeper truth.

Isn't it interesting? How so? His soul is putrid, a barren and vile thing. How do we visually represent putrid, barren and vile fatness? In this example, it's fatness. It ends with Vance, who's extremely online says he's seen the memes.

He told a report for the Blaze that he thinks is a very funny trend. I'm not laughing with him. So this is a pattern that happens again and again and again.

And I'm gonna give you if you wanna go and see a more than a meme like a reel. There's a reel of Vance is represented as multiple cartoon Oompa Loompas from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory holding a lollipop. His face inflated and is in front of the White House.

And it's the song that from the Charlie and Chocolate Factory we welcome you to that song is playing. The joke is that in this meme, the joke is that he's a little person and he's fat. And he's presumably either childish or greedy because he has a lollipop.

And in Charlie and Shrekt of Chocolate Factory they had lollipops. So he's a little person and he's fat. That's the joke.

How is that funny? And it's another example of how, you know, little people and fat people are maligned. And it's so nice to see the community and the fat community coming together in. In.

That's what's happening. Because you don't know in order to fight for rights. Because you know, all of that, all of that stuff is bullshit.

So another example of this, one of my Instagram peoples messaged me and let me know about something that was something that had happened. So this is from Nadia, Shout out to Nadia, who said about a Malaysian Prime Minister and his wife. Nadia says our sixth prime minister and the first lady were corrupt.

They're both in jail now. They were awful. The amount of money they stole was so much it crashed our currency a decade or so ago.

Guess what the most popular talking point is? The fact that she is fat. It's so messed up. And when I pointed it out, people said, oh, so you support corruption? Then shake my head.

We have a very free Internet in Malaysia, so you can imagine the vitriol thrown at her. Like she deserves to be criticized for stealing billions of state funds. But the way that people mock her boss body was just so disgusting.

I was on I have a guilty pleasure. Okay? I have a, I'm a guilty pleasure. Sometimes I like watching.

I feel like a piece of shit for admit. I feel like a piece of shit for admitting this. I like watching like it gets presented to me and then I get into like a oh, look at some more of these videos.

You know, Karen's getting owned type videos. When I'm watching it, I'm just like, this is so fucked up. Because a lot of it is not actually quote, Karen's getting owned.

It's just women unfairly, maybe not. I know, whatever, I don't know, whatever. It makes me feel like shit watching them.

But I'm like, oh, this is, you know, the piece of shit side of my brain is like, oh, let's watch these videos. Anyway, there was one of them which was this one woman had done something bad. I think it was two women.

One of them was sharing, one of them was dating the ex partner and there was some child issue, like they dropped the child off late or something. Anyway, so one person was videoing the other mother. They were like fuck you, whatever.

And then it was oh, look how fat you are. Oh you're so fat. And so anyway it was on the Internet and the whole thing is like haha, she got owned.

Because the other one was like look at, look at your fat. She wasn't fat. She was very most a small fat.

Not that that matters, but I just put in the comments. Body shaming isn't cool. I really, really regret it because even to this day this is, I feel like this is like a year ago.

Even to this day I get People responding to that comment being like, oh, fuck you, like, she's, she's fat though. And I think maybe one person was like, yeah, I agree with you, but it just seems like such a correct reason in many people's mind to criticize someone for their body size or any other facets of their body. Right.

It's a valid point is what people are saying. And it made me think about, do you remember in 2016, the Trump and the naked Trump statue? A lot of left wing people, fat left wing people, were sharing the like, ha ha ha look. Basically, if you don't remember, in New York, six statues from an activist group were put around New York overnight.

He's, it's statues of Trump, representation of Trump, life size naked, and it was to do with the emperor's clothes. And so there's that tale, which is that the emperor has no clothes and he doesn' like he's deluded. He thinks he's wearing clothes and he's walking down the street and he's naked and everyone has to pretend that the emperor's wearing these fine clothes.

So it's a critique on Trump, but what they did was make his penis very small. And so that's what the joke was, that one, his penis was very small and two, he's fat. So here's a quote from this article from Quartz.

Lord knows I don't like Trump. A columnist at the establishment wrote, my issue with these statues isn't that I'm sensitive or that I'm prudish or even righteous. The joke itself is bad.

It relies on body shaming, fatphobia, toxic masculinity and transphobia to take jabs at Trump. If you're wondering why it's transphobia, the like jokes about small penis or, or even big dick energy. It's saying that big penises are better, they're more worthy, you're more manly if you have a big penis.

Some trans men will have smaller penises, and so does that make them a source of ridicule? Should it make them a source of ridicule? Are they less manly or less of a man because they have a smaller penis? Laughing at small penises is transphobic. And another quote from that article, Thomas McBee, an author and editor at Quartz, put it poignantly in a Facebook post. The same instinct that inspires ridicule here is what makes life scary and painful for those of us whose bodies don't look like the way they quote Trump should and what separates them from the brand of vulgarity behind the T shirt.

Some Donald Trump supporters chose to wear at his political rallies. Like the one that read Trump that bitch and KFC Hillary special. Two fat thighs, two small breasts, left wing.

All of it is just gross, right? But there's some. There's a particular type of anti fatness in the liberal communities that is just not explored. And a lot of the times when people point it out, then it's like, well, no, no, you know, one of my friends, I say friend like a acquaintance had shared a post.

Some guy had said something about someone online. And so then she responded by pulling up his picture and saying, well, look how thin you are and how weak you are. You don't have any muscles.

And I said, oh, hey, that's not so cool. And she said, well, no, because he was saying mean things about her body, so we should get to say mean things about his body. Well, she didn't say we didn't get to say mean things.

So. But she said, but it's right that we should critique his body if he's critiquing. Critiquing her body.

And my stance is, no, we shouldn't. Because I don't think that people are bad if they have a body that falls outside of normative beauty or aesthetic ideals. I think people are bad because of the personality and character and what they do.

You know, so that person who had said mean things about that other person, it doesn't matter if he's thin and he doesn't have muscles. It matters that he's a. He's saying mean things.

You know, his body doesn't make him a bad person. So another trend that's been around recently has been Republican women makeup tutorials. So I'll put a link in, show notes of this.

But there's a video, this is just one example, a video on Instagram. In it, a comedian who I'm presuming is male. This person doesn't have their pronouns in their bio, but I'm making the assumption that this person's male.

Anyway, in it, this comedian pretends to be a Republican woman who is doing a makeup tutorial. And so the joke is this Republican woman is gonna do a makeup tutorial and it's gonna be bad because Republican women are ugly and have bad makeup skills. So he's using the wrong shades and tools, throws away the beauty blender, puts concealer on his lips, covers his face with dirt, and then adding, adds a cheap blonde scraggly wig, and the final result is someone who looks happy.

But we obviously know that the joke is that they aren't following the beauty rules. Right? Our beauty rules. So at the end, they're happy and oblivious.

They don't realize how terrible they look. And, and it's so easy. I tell you what, it's so easy.

My brain goes there quite often when someone has a bad personality. Like if, say, if I'm watching another one of my. I know I shouldn't be watching this 90 Day Fiance.

Any other 90 Day Fiance fans out there? Well, I'm watching Night Day Fiance. And you know, some of the people on there, they're like, they, they bought or portrayed as not so nice people. Part of my brain goes, yeah, but look at their blah, blah, blah.

And then the other part of my brain is like, oh, for God's, like, why are you critiquing their appearance? Because I'm still being bombarded with messages that people should look a certain way. And, and if they don't, then it's okay to point out how I find them unattractive. This is just, this is the battle that's going on in my head.

You know, I'm not saying it's out loud to anyone. Well, who would I say it to? Dougal, My dog? Like, oh, my God, look at her. Blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, it's the same as right wing people saying, oh, all left wing people have blue hair and are ugly and fat. Like, why are we making fun of this Republican woman makeup style? It's the same with Trump's tanner on his face or foundation or whatever it is that he makes his face the shade it is. That's him accessing gender affirming care.

And we laugh about it. Right? But he doesn't hear that the Republican woman is probably not watching that makeup tutorial, you know, fake makeup tutorial. The people who are there.

This content is being shown to other left leaning people. It's being shown to our community and our friends. And it tells our community and our friends that if you get your makeup wrong or if I think that your makeup is wrong, then I'm gonna be in even just inside my head laughing at you and thinking, oh, my God, what is she wearing? Imagine if you had a trans friend, a trans woman who is watching this and they're new to makeup and they're new to wearing wigs.

They're new to finding themselves. And now that person that your trans friend is knowing how laughable it is if they get it wrong, are they gonna feel safe with you, that you're gonna be supportive and, you know, not judge them if they do put concealer on Their lips, you know, or their wig is a bit ratty or too blonde or whatever it is that we've decided is not acceptable or is too Republican. So I'll bridge into that.

So all of that is bullshit. So I think it's just so a part of our many people's dialogue to focus on bodies and what they look like when that has nothing to do with the character of something or someone, rather. And it's just lazy comedy, really.

Just. It's just boring. I just is.

And if we want to unlearn all this stuff, I invite you to maybe don't share the next time there is something that's making fun of appearance. And sometimes it can be really hard to spot. Can be really insidious.

Insidious. Insidious, yeah. Can be really insidious and tangled in with.

Well, this is harmless. But what if, you know, what if one of your favorite people that you love heard you say something that. That something was wrong about a physical appearance and they were doing that thing.

Here's an example. I remember in my 20s, early 20s, I saw this porn video, and the person, one of the people in the porn video had a very small penis. And I was like, oh, my God.

I would thought it was hilarious. Super immature, right? And I remember this clearly telling my. Two of my friends, who were two guys, two of my friends being like, like, you're never gonna guess what.

I saw this video and this penis, this person's penis was, oh, my God, how funny is that? And they went on, they were like, yeah, yeah, that's so funny. And they went on and they were like, oh, yeah. What about in porn videos when you see women that have X, Y, Z, and so a feature about a woman's body, and they'll say, oh, one time I was getting with a woman and she had this.

And, you know, the other was like, yeah, oh, that's horrible. And the thing that they were making fun of was something that I had, and I was laughing along and dying inside. And that really stuck with me.

Not the. Not necessarily the. Or both parts, but what really stuck with me was that they could have been having the exact same experience that I was having in that moment.

I was dying inside because I was like, oh, my God, I have that thing that they are perceiving as terrible. Both of them could have had the thing that I was perceiving as terrible. They both could have had very small penises.

I didn't know. But I was just coming to them being like, hello. Well, oh, my God, this is so hilarious and awful.

And then they unknowingly did the same to me. And all of us were. All of it.

None of. None of it was malice. It was just, we are having a great time, you know.

But their opinion about the thing that they were joking about has stuck with me and my guilt for being immature. Should I. Should I feel shameful? Because.

Should I give myself grace? Because I've been thinking about this for like 15 years. You know, I feel. I do feel.

I feel guilty that I was. I do struggle with. I do struggle with shame of the shit that I used to do.

This is when I was, by the way, this is when I was really deep into sexism. I was really like, women belong in the kitchen. Lol.

Make me a sandwich. And yeah, I know. It's like I was at the time, I'm a woman.

Like, obviously I was dealing with shit. So anyway, let's bridge into saying all this with a caveat. So the left community seem to want to be progressive in other ways, seem to want to be progressive in other ways, but have trouble with understanding.

Fat people are humans. And so some people might come and say that's because anti fatness is the last socially acceptable form of bias or discrimination or whatever. And that's where I say, whoa, whoa, whoa.

No, no, no. It's funny because I think about three people have said this line to me in the last, like three weeks. And it makes sense that people will say this.

So people in, in left, left communities will say this. People who, especially in the DEI world, when anti fatness is almost completely ignored, it makes sense that when people will say this, when you hear the facts and know that there are no laws to protect fat people in almost everywhere in the world, apart from some areas in the States, there's people have the thought of, like, how can this be? And they have anger and confusion as to why this is happening to people that they love or themselves. And this also comes from folks who are maybe newer to fat liberation.

And so this is a shock. And so they might have been starting to do work on unlearning other systems of oppression. And so it can seem confusing and shocking.

And it seems right that it feels like it could be the last socially acceptable form of discrimination. It can seem like that because you might have friends who are less likely to be overtly bigoted, overtly racist, overtly homophobic, et cetera. Right.

It doesn't mean they're not those things. Like, shit, I'm a white person. I have been, am the beneficiary of white supremacy every single day.

And there's so many ways that I don't know that I'm perpetuating harm and have yet to discover it. You know, I'm, I'm so many ways that I would be deeply problematic for, for many people within communities that I don't belong. Right.

That I'm still discovering. So saying that anti fatness is the last acceptable form of discrimination is almost like saying the others are fixed, the others aren't fixed, they're so far from fixed. And also here's the thing, if you walked into any right wing group of friends, you would soon realize 100% they are not only biased against fat people, but they're biased about against many other communities also.

It could mean, you know, if we're saying this, maybe we're not surrounded by people who are comfortable or people who are regularly sharing their experiences if they have different identities to you. So if you're white and you have a lot of white friends and you're not seeing racism on a day to day basis could because you're white and you don't experience racism. Right.

So I don't experience racism. So I could say racism isn't a problem and obviously not obviously. But you know, a lot of left leaning people will very easily recognize obviously because I don't experience it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

But a statement like this is the last socially accepted libby form of discrimination is almost saying it doesn't exist when it does. And an exercise that helps folks do understand this side of work is the Invisible knapsack by Peggy McIntosh. I'll send you a link.

I'm gonna sen. Link. There's a link in the.

There'll be a link in the show Notes for this an article written by Peggy McIntosh, White Privilege Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack first appeared in Peace and Freedom magazine in July, August 1989. And so what Peggy did was talk about the different things that she racialized people have to carry around every day. So knapsack, rucksack bag.

So imagine you're carrying around a bag and inside that bag you're carrying rocks or something. Your friend is carrying a knapsack with 10 rocks in. You've got a knapsack with three rocks in.

You might be, might think we're both wearing the same knapsack, but you don't know how many rocks they're carrying around. The rocks is the daily experiences of being a racialized person in a society that says that supports white supremacy. Even unknowingly for some people.

And so here's some of the examples that Peggy was giving. So I'm gonna read out out nine of them. I think this is like 25.

And this was written in 1989. See how many of these are still very relevant, very relevant to 20. 25.

So imagine you've got a knapsack with nine rocks in it. Okay? If you say yes to these questions, take a rock out of this imaginary rucksack, right? So question I can choose blemish cover or bandages in flesh colour and have them more or less, less match my skin. Can you go to the store and find a band Band aid? I was like, what's the American term? Band aid or a plaster, the British term in your skin color.

Think of the amount of times you've seen them in a variety of colors. I saw it recently and I was like, wow, this is so cool and wow, this is so fucked up that this is the first time I've seen this in Vancouver. Huge city.

So if yes, you can find plasters or bandages or blemish color cover in your skin, your skin color easily. Take a rock out. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having co workers on the job suspect I got it because of my race.

And so in today's language it would be I can take a job with a DEI affirmative employer and not have someone say you got it because of your race. Race. If that's true, you take a rock out.

I can easily buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race. I can easily do that if a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race. And in today's climate, if a traffic cop pulls me over, I can be sure that they're not going to murder me because of my race.

I know as a white person that if I'm pulled over by the police, I have have no fear that my race will mean that they will murder me. I have no fear. I'm never asked to speak for all of the people of my racial group.

Notice when there's a an act of terror. If it's a racialized person, then other racialized people have to speak for that person. If it's a white person, then it's just, it's just a white person.

It's just any other person. Right? You know, as a white person, I would never have to speak for the crimes of an know Ted Kaczynski. Kazinsk.

Kazinski. Kaczynski, the Unabomber. I watched a video about him recently.

This is from like the 80s or 90s. Anyway. I can swear or dress in secondhand clothes and not answer letters without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of my race.

I can turn on the television or open the front page of the newspaper and see people of my race, race wildly widely represented. I'm gonna say, like widely fairly represented. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed. Some people will hear that list and they'll get like nine out of nine and they will be carrying all those rocks. And that just, it just illustrates the, the, the burden of racism in our society that we.

Me, as a white person, I wouldn't, I just wouldn't know, right? Because I haven't experienced it. We can do this. Like I use this exercise in, I use it for fat in my workshops.

And so I do the equivalent of I'm able to buy clothes in my size. I'm able to see my body size represented fairly in media, et cetera, for body size to help, help people who have smaller bodies realize their, their privilege. Because a lot of times people with bigger, smaller bodies, they just don't know, right? Well, of course, like lots of shops have clothes because there's lots of closed shops.

And then it's only until you tell them that we realize anyway. So not to say that fat people are not experiencing horrific things, right? It's to say that it's not just fat people. And we know this, we know this, right? But other things, other marginalized identities stacked on top of each other can make someone's experience in life totally different.

So if you were to ask a fat, black, trans, disabled person if the only bias that they experience is around the size, around their size, they'd quickly correct you, right? So I just want you to have that. All of that is just a big caveat of me saying the left is, is the left really struggles with anti fatness and everything else too. But I mean, with anti fatness there seems to be a little bit of, what's the word? People are a little bit unaware that they're perpetuating bias with their anti fatness so openly.

Whereas maybe people who are working to be quite progressive wouldn't as quickly engage in the same types of media sharing or laughing at these types of memes. If they were about other communities, maybe, maybe, I don't know, maybe they do, maybe they do. Again, I'm white, you know, so I'll probably, I'm probably like, lol.

Look at this funny thing about this other marginalized community. And I'm, I'm here, I'm here on my soapbox and I'm doing the same thing. You know, we're all trying to do better.

Most of us are anyway. Okay, well, I want to, I want to end with some hope and just give you some hope of things. Really do.

I've said this before on the show and it really does feel like this, that things are getting better in fat acceptance, that more and more and more people who I talk to are championing fat liberation. And yeah, like I'm, you know, I'm around a lot of, of people who are interested in liberation. Right.

So for all. But it's been different than in previous years. So I want to give you hope.

And here's another piece of hope. When I did the fat and work survey, I said one of the questions was how would it feel to work in a fat positive place? And of the 333, six people that responded, there was a couple that said, I have worked in a place that doesn't talk about food and body and it was amazing. In the fat and healthcare survey, I asked the same question.

What would it be like if you experienced a fat positive provider? We had so many more people saying that they've experienced that I could not believe it. I was so surprised. There was, there was a number, I can't remember how, what number it was.

Maybe that was probably, let's say 10 to 15 compared to 12 from the other one which says there are so many good people in healthcare that want to do better by fat people. I've seen it. I've seen, I've seen it because I've done training with lots of training with healthcare organizations and there are people, thin people who are dedicated to making their workplace, making their practice better for fat people.

So if you're feeling a bit hopeless and you know it's tough being in a bigger body and it is tough being in a bigger body because of the way society treats us. I want to give you the hope there that it's, it's getting better and hopefully one day, I've said this many times, one day when we're old people, we can say to the younger people in my day. They used to be step competitions in the office.

They used to weigh you every time you go to the doctor. They would deny people health care because of their BMI and have the young people go, no, we go. Yeah, and then tell them about our funny technology that we used to have.

All right, well, thanks for hanging out with me today. Links for everything in the show notes. Go get the fat at work.

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Remember, you are worthy. You always were. You always will be.

Stay fierce, Fatty Tati. Bye. Perfect.