Episode 55 Transcript
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You're listening to the FERS fatty podcast episode 55. And today we're talking about is body positivity. Toxic? Let's do it.
I'm Victoria Welsby TEDx speaker, Best Selling Author and fat activist. I have transformed my life from hating my body with desperately low self esteem to being a courageous and confident Fierce Fatty who loves every inch of this jelly. Society teaches us living in a fat body is bad. But what if we spent less time, money and energy on the pursuit of thinness and instead focused on the things that actually matter? Like if pineapple on pizza should be outlawed? Or if the mullet was the greatest haircut of the 20th century? So how do you stop negative beliefs about your fat body controlling your life? It's the Fierce Fatty podcast Let's begin.
Hello, hello 30 How are you doing? How's life? You're right. Good. You're right. All right. Good. Good. Good. Very good. Thanks for coming to hang out with me today. I hope you're doing good. I've been listening to some island vibes playlists on Spotify, because it's a very stormy here today in Ireland. The power went out a couple of hours ago. It's back on the house. So hopefully I managed to get through this, this podcast but I want you to listen to some island vibes to make me feel like
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a day where I could go on vacation to somewhere tropical could be a reality and not be rained on for forever. Oh, so depressing.
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If you're wondering about Google Doodle, I took his dog and my dog I took off his his his cone this morning. He's had it on. It's Tuesday. Now he had it on since Thursday. And his leg is all healed up but every time I take his coat off, he seems to go straight to his leg and start trying to lick it again. But I kind of been watching him this morning. He seems to be just like looking a little bit and looking overall so we're gonna see how it goes. But he's like 5,000% more happy now that I've taken the cobalt cone off. Bless him. Bless him and he's so nice and pretty and I love him so much all so today we're talking about is body positivity. toxic, toxic like that Britney Spears on them in hand is there. I found wings. It's not the right one. No, that's is it? I'm toxic and stupid as best as the past. Who's in bow? Yeah, they are the lyrics of that song. That used to be my karaoke song. But obviously, not recently because I can remember only one lyric which is toxic.
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My My other favorite karaoke songs are Bohemian Rhapsody, obviously. And Gangster's paradise, but Gangster's paradise sung in my British accent. As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I take a look at my life and realize there's nothing left because I've been laughing and blasting so long that even my mom thinks that my mind has gone. So I do that in Canada and Canadians. Love it. Love. If I did in UK people probably wouldn't be impressed.
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Yeah, so anyway we're talking about is what it was really toxic, and specifically what we're what, what I'm actually doing is
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today, I'm talking about all of the most commonly Googled phrases around body positivity. So
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there's a website called answer the public.com. So if you go to this website, answer the public.com you can type in anything and you want to know what people are asking about that topic. So you only get three shots and make it good. Okay, don't put don't put things in there or do what I did spell things incorrectly. And then nothing comes up. I'm like, How is nothing coming up for body positivity? And I put in like body body positive. The tea, you know?
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Yeah, anyway, nothing really came up for fat positivity for activism because I guess it's not searched, as well.
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such as body positivity, it will tell you everything that that people are talking about asking about in regards to body positivity. And I thought, you know, hot. Do you know what I thought in my gorgeous brain? I thought, if people are asked asking these questions on the internet webs.com, then they obviously have these questions, and maybe you have these questions, but I've just never covered it. Because I'm like, Well, everyone knows that, or I haven't thought to specify certain things. And this list of things, or the list of the different search things that came up, I was like, Oh, shit, yeah, I should. I should talk about that. Because that's interesting. Yeah. So go look that up similar sites is, is the website is talking about is you can look, look at a site and then find what similar sites there are further. Okay, so I'm gonna go through some of these questions. Not all of them because there's like 100 common questions about body positivity. Some of them are kind of repeated in different ways. But okay, so the first thing is, is body positivity. A good thing?
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Well,
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oh, good thing. Now,
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here's the thing. Here's the thing, so many people get the meaning and the definition of body positivity. In correct, what they think body positivity is, is liking your body.
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That is not what body positivity is. body positivity is a political movement that says that fat bodies
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should be treated with respect, and not treated like shit. And people who have you know, marginalized identities.
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Coming from that fat body place, should have the same rights and everything is straight sides, people.
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So that is like the origins of body positivity in a nutshell. And so, so when people say, all of these questions about what positivity? Most of them, I'm thinking about it from their point of view of, are they do they realize what body positivity is? If so, if not, probably because they don't, because they're Googling it, then reframing the question from that point of view.
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Anyway, so you know, if we do think about the true definition of body positivity, then of course, it's a good thing to, for fat people to have equal rights, of course, is a good thing, you know, less, less shittiness all around is a good thing, right? But if we think about it, from the point of view of is body positivity, like, is loving your body a good thing? Well, yes. Something from Mayo Clinic that I pulled is, with healthy self esteem, you're able to be assertive in expressing your needs and opinions, confident in your ability to make decisions, able to form secure and honest relationships and less likely to just to stay in unhealthy ones. Realistic in your expectations and less likely to be over critical of yourself and others, more resilient and better able to weather stress and SEC setbacks. So it's a good thing. But caveat here
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is not a good thing, if you are using
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body positivity as something to beat yourself up with. So
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I don't love myself, or I'm having struggles I'm struggling with fat phobia.
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Therefore, I'm a piece of shit. You know, so if you're using this as a thing that you need to achieve, and if you don't achieve it, you don't don't get to this place of
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I love my body, or I think fat bodies are cool, or I think that bodies should have equal rights or whatnot, and you're and you're really self flagellating, then it's probably not a good thing. But you know the concept, the concept of body positivity is good. However, moving on to the next one is body positivity. toxic. So this is a big one is those words toxic coming up on searches. So, body positivity, is it toxic? Yes and no. So, no because of what we discussed just now just before, I mean, it's good. It's you know, body positivity is good for your mental health and your physical health. But it is toxic when
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it is CO opted and stolen.
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By straight size people by thin people,
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and taken away from the people who created the movement, who the movement is made for, taken, so that the so when we when we search body positivity, if you look up the hashtag, body positivity or body positive or even VAT positive on your phone, chances are, you're going to see images of thin, white women who are stereotypically attractive, bending over as far as humanly possible to try and make their skin wrinkle that every tiny little bit it does. So that then then, so then they can say, hashtag body positive. Now,
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straight sides, people doing that, it's not a bad thing, like in regards to a straight size person trying to love themselves. That's great, wonderful, more body love all around. However,
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this is a movement created for fat people, by fat people. And so then it is for fat people to
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celebrate fatness to help fat people be seen as human beings to get equal rights for fat people. And so then when you search for what is body positivity, or search for the hashtag, and you only see thin white stereotypically able bodied cisgendered people, then, you know, if you're seeking solace in the idea that your body is okay, then you're going to see, you know, a supermodel who was you know,
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twisted into a pretzel to try and get any tiny little bit of fat and be like, hashtag inspirational. I'm loving my disgusting body even though it's really, you know, horrible. I'm being body positive. Like, now.
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No, listen, if straight sides, people want to do that, that's fine. Put the hashtag is self love. Okay, just mean like, learning to love my, my the way that my body is or whatever. Oh, and then when when you know, streetside, people put like hashtag, I have a real body. I was
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getting very frustrated with this.
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So it's cool for straight sized people to live their body. And yes, 1,000%, straight size size, people struggle really straight size. People have eating disorders, and they hate their bodies, and all sorts of things. But the thing is straight size, people don't have to deal with a world that is constantly telling them that they need to die to go away, that they are not welcome. That they that society would be better if they didn't exist. And so a lot of straight sides, people will say, Yeah, but people have told me that I need to eat a hamburger.
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That is horrible. That is not appropriate. That is body shaming, that is wrong. That is not the same as systemic oppression. That is not the same as going into your doctor's and being prescribed weight loss, or go into the hospital and they're not being a gown to fit your blood pressure cuff to fit you or a chair for you to sit in. Okay. So you're straight sides, people, their struggles are a legitimate struggles. But then fat people
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have the same struggles with an added layer of oppression. And then if you have marginalized identities, and even more of that ship piled on top. And so when we have this really exciting time in history where we can begin to celebrate our bodies, and then we go to look and look for you know, other people who are celebrating their fat body and see someone whose body is not oppressed. It can be really frustrating. Right? And so is body positivity toxic? That is I would say it's very unhelpful. What is toxic is a lot of people who claim to be body positive because
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because people think body positivity is just love your body.
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They might have people who were like hashtag body positive, and they are raging fat phobes like raging fat, both folks like you know, it's okay to be curvy as long as you're healthy or healthy is the new skinny like shit like that.
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No.
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That is not what it is.
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So yeah, so body positivity can be very, very toxic and unsafe. A lot of fat people don't engage with body positivity. They roll their eyes around body positivity because
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It's been so heavily co opted, and also
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companies using it to sell shit.
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And it's
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it's just, it's frustrating. So next one is How did body positivity start? Oh, wow, it started in the 1960s in New York City, and there were fat ins, you know, like sit ins, fat ins held.
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And that is when Nafa. So the National Association to Advance fat acceptance was created in 1969 by Bill Fabri. I am Facebook friends with Bill Fabri. I'm very, very pleased, I feel like I'm connected with the roots of fat acceptance and body positivity.
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So that is kind of like the first big push. Now in history, there have always been pushes to,
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to say, hey, the standards we put on women is not okay.
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But the more sophisticated, you know deliberately about fat people, there was a big push in the 60s, and then in the 1990s. So more fat activism was happening there. And things being made and created for fat people and saying, Hey, fat people, you're welcome here.
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I'm wondering when fatso by Marilyn Wan, was written, it came out first of December 1998. So that kind of that whole,
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unapologetic, we're here and we're fat. And here are some resources around that is for you, fatso is so good. Like, even now, you know, a book that was written 22 Three years ago. And it's still like, it's really good. And and on the corners. It's got little illustrations of a fat dancing woman. And so you can flip the corners and woman or dance anyway. So get the book, not the not the audio if there is an audio version. Anyway, and so then in in 1996, the website called the body positive, was created by Connie so so Zack and Elizabeth Scott. And that was a big source, internet, understanding about body positivity. Then in then, like the 2010s
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when IG Instagram started to get big, these kind of more celebrity body positive type people started getting following some Momentums. Before that it was Tumblr and there was big, fat positive communities on Tumblr. I was never on Tumblr. But there is still you can still if you don't know if Tumblr, it must still be a thing. It's a thing I think. But you could still find a lot of good fat positivity
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through Tumblr, and so now we have a lot of body positive kind of super famous body positive people like Tess Holliday. Previously in her when I first knew her called Test monster, now known as Tess Holliday and body posi Panda, aka Megan Jane crab. And so Tess Holliday has like two point something 2.1 million followers, I think and body policy PanDa has like 1.2 million. So we have these celebrity body positive things and people and it's becoming way more mainstream.
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But kind of
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still
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problematic in
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the presentation of what party body positivity is, because a lot of people like so for example, body Panda, a lot of people I will say that that account is kind of like a lot of people that's where they got started. And that is a very palatable account for people to follow. Where there's not
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because Megan, I don't think I don't think she's fat. I think she's a little bit chubby. And I think I don't know what her size is, but from her. She's not thin but she's, you know, maybe a little bit chubby. I don't I don't think that she would say she was fat. Anyway. So learning about body positivity from someone who looks like Meghan is a lot more palatable that
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I'm someone that looks like Tess. But Tesla's has more followers getting you know, Tesla's is doing modeling stuff and whatnot. Anyway And so you see how that body positive you know, message of you know, fat bodies are okay is kind of diluted
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well, when big accounts
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who were not led by fat people are
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on the mainstream now. Now, Tess Holliday is definitely fat, like, I think she's like a size 2426, something like that. Anyway. So you can see like, where people might get mistaken. And there's lots of big accounts where
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the person is 1,000%, thin. And they're like, I'm all about body positivity. And they never talk about fat staff. If they have fat people on their account, they're all very, you know, small, fat, you know, hourglass fat, that type of thing.
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And no, shout it to Megan, Megan.
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Body policy PanDa has done a lot in regards to educating people in her captions, and talking about the political nurse of what this what body positivity is about. But visually, it's easy for people to
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look at someone like her and be like, oh, you know, it's all about loving yourself sort of thing. You get what I'm saying.
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Okay, so next one is what body positivity is not. So I put a post out on the Instagrams about what fat acceptance is and what it isn't because body positivity, fat acceptance, pretty much the same thing, right?
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So what fat acceptance isn't, it isn't anti health, believing everyone should be fat, hating straight size people, forcing everyone to find fat people attractive, and quote unquote excuse to be quote unquote, greedy, lazy or unhealthy. A method to teach people to love their body, what fat acceptance is a social justice movement created to increase the acceptance of fat bodies and seeks to ensure fat people have equal rights and access a straight size people. So that is a post that I shared on my food Instagram account, it's probably on my Facebook account to
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a lot of people liked it. A lot of people shared it. So if you want to, then you can just go go back to September 2020 2020 20 to find it and share it or not, or whatever. So it's, it's not being like, Okay, I'm just going to be really unhealthy. And if you don't, you know, find me attractive, but then I'm gonna come and murder you. And you know, it's just, hey, let's just not be dicks to fat people, you know? Okay, so next one who is body positivity for so body positive body positivity is for everyone in regards to everyone can be an ally. Like, it's like anti racism work. Everyone can and should be an ally. But, again, it's a movement for marginalized bodies, specifically fat bodies. Next one, body positivity is dangerous, dangerous, dangerous. Read it, do not. If you want to
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have good mental health, do not type read it. Fat acceptance, and go on to read it and read anything that you find that do not. Don't Don't do it. That you don't know, do you do it? Like, there's so many things I like reading on Reddit, you know, like, am I the asshole and people? I like reading about when people regret having kids and things like that. You know, people confessing stuff anyway.
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Like Reddit seems to be like, moderately forward thinking, but when it comes to fan acceptance, it is so not it is just horrifying.
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At times, my website has been posted on that fat thing on Reddit and you know, trolls coming coming along coming along and saying how do you do? You're fat we don't like you.
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So, body positivity dangerous like this is what? It's not dangerous. But some people think that maybe if you love yourself, you're going to become a narcissist. No, no, unless you already are. Unless you
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You won't, you know, narcissists, actually they don't love themselves. They might have grandiosity, but deep down, they hate themselves. But, you know, a lot of people think like, oh, women are going around, and they're saying that they, they're fabulous. And they're saying that they don't need men's approval and, and specifically, sis men get mad about that, right? Because they lose the power, we don't care what other people think about what we look like, then they're gonna lose that power to be like, You're fat and ugly, and for that to be so powerful to us.
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And as well, people thinking that
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body positivity means that you want to be unhealthy, and you revel in being unhealthy, or that you want to eat babies, and murder those men that
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are terrified of fat people like, no matter. I tell you what body positivity is dangerous. No, it's the people who think body positivity is dangerous is dangerous, like the some of the shit that I've heard, that have happened to, you know, colleagues doing this work is terrifying. Honestly, I'll tell you what,
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for me, I think about this all the time. So I was I was listening to Brene Brown's podcast. And this episode about there's a book called burnout. Two sisters wrote it, and talking about stress and how stress is stress is really detrimental towards your health, right, you know, having too much and not what they say closing the stress loop.
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And then that affects Sleep, sleep is really important for your health.
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And me thinking about how is my health damage by me doing this work. So my health is not damaged, because I love my body. But I think that my health is damaged because I am a visible woman on the internet. We're in a fat body that says it's okay to be fat.
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And because of that, the bullshit that I get exposed to, you know, I get exposed to more. So if I hated myself, I wouldn't have people you know, if I was like a fat person being like, I'm losing weight, and I'm being good, fatty. I wouldn't get people probably have no probably I would still message me and saying like that you're evil and things like that. And that does affect my health.
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Don't worry about me, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm I'm alive. But, you know, thinking about is body positivity. Dangerous. Oh, you know.
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But some people maybe is, you know.
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But yeah, don't worry about me. It's not like I'm getting messages 10 times a day with this stuff. And today, I passed off, replying to some messages to my assistant, and I feel really good about it. So, yes.
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Okay, so body positivity and weight loss. This is a GSA and I really like, I like talking about this one because people get really heated about it. So a lot of people who don't understand what body positivity is say, It's okay, to intentionally lose weight, aka, go on a diet, and declare yourself as a body positive advocate, or someone who believes in body positivity. I did a whole episode on this. So a lot of people were saying, Well, of course, it's body positive to want to be healthy. Of course, it's body positive to want to feel happy and feel good in your body. And I'm just like, nah.
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You're getting it wrong.
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Listen, body positivity is about saying, hey, fat people are cool. And as well accepting that fat people are fat. And we can't change that. Only for a tiny, tiny, tiny portion of people. Can we change that? And also, that you can be fat and healthy. You can be fat and, and fit and be mobile and, and all sorts of different things, right? And so if you actively so not if you happen to accidentally lose weight, no big deal, whatever. But if you are like, Okay, I'm gonna, I'm going to lose weight because I want to be healthy. I'm going to lose weight because I want to be sexy. I'm going to lose weight because whatever reason you were denying and saying you do not believe that. You can be fat and healthy and happy and gorgeous and blah, blah, blah, and all that type of stuff.
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So you're turning your back on the science, which body positivity is built on? It's like the foundations.
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And so it just doesn't compute. You know?
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is like saying if you just like I love the color pink. I'm really, I really support people who love the color pink. I love the color pink, it's the best. And then you go to your house and nothing is pink or the walls are painted green. And you're like, Oh, I thought you were really into pink? Well, yeah, yeah. Really? You have other people? Yeah, but for me green. Yeah, I'm all about green. You know, what do you then you can't go to like the, the pink.
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You know, meeting where everyone is pink. And all they do is wear pink and then you turn up agree and bring like long. This is like doesn't compute. You know? It's just different things, different things. Okay. But if you're saying you can love your body and lose weight, go for it. Why do it fine, whatever.
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I don't agree. But absolutely say that, you know, that you can love your body and lose weight. But it's not body positive. It's not fat positive, because these are political movements. Okay. And remember, this is intentional weight loss, you know, if you're, if you're like big into fat activism, and one day you wake up and you happen to have a thin body, you know, whatever. It's no big deal. But it's for people who are like,
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Oh, it's for people who have, you know, a fitness account, and they're like, hashtag body positive weight loss. And I want to get a pair of scissors and stab them into my desk with anger. Because no, that no, that's not how it works. Okay, so moving on to this next one, body positivity and self love. Yeah, so this is what it is. So body positivity and self love, two separate concepts. body positivity is a political movement, self love, is loving yourself. Self love, if really what you're about is loving yourself, then you're into self love. If really what you're about is thinking that fat bodies shouldn't be treated like shit. And you think that you should love yourself, then you're into body positivity and self love and confidence and all that type of stuff. Next one, body positivity first versus fat acceptance, it feels like maybe in the last five years, there has been a real kind of split. As body positivity has become way more mainstream fat people have felt unsafe in the movement that they created.
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And have kind of now splintered off into
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not really being into body positivity and being into fat acceptance. Because for a lot of people, and for me, body positivity feels very, like blur. It just feels like it's not for me, it's not, it's not about me anymore. It's been, you know, taken over. And, you know, whatever that happens.
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And now with fat acceptance. I know I and a lot of people feel more at home, because we are explicitly saying, Don't be Dexter fat people. There's no because there's fat in that fat acceptance or fat liberation or whatever it is. There's no kind of question that is this is about fat people like it with this podcast, I don't think that, you know, I might have used the word body positive to explain different concepts or whatever. But I wouldn't describe this as a body positive, you know, myself as body positive, I might use the word body positive in like, the podcast description as a keyword search thing, but you know, and to move people in and now they come to the dark side of acceptance.
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But, you know, I wouldn't because it just feels a very it just feels very vanilla. It feels very, it doesn't feel radical, whereas acceptance does feel radical. And that is what we need is we need radical acceptance. Not it's okay to be fat. If you are healthy, it's okay to be fat. Maybe if you have you know, big tits, big bum, flat stomach. You know, fat acceptance is all fat people are worthy of love, respects, human decency, and equal rights and all that type of stuff. Next one, body positivity versus body neutrality. So, if we think about when people are, when people are googling this, they're probably thinking, body positivity as in body love. So let's presume that it's body love versus body neutrality. So body neutrality is great. Body neutrality is when you just don't think about your body that much. You maybe maybe you don't think it's good, but you don't think it's bad. And it is a wonderful stepping stone or it could be a final destination. But normally that is where people go from from hate to neutrality.
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How to liking themselves thinking they're amazing. And then I think like, the next step is, it's not about your body, you have this realization that, yeah, whatever, it doesn't matter if I am attractive or not, but because I am a worthy human being like, deep self compassion, like I think that's like the next step above loving your body.
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Yeah, so but Body Body neutrality is an amazing place to get to imagine if you can just not have to think about your body all the time. And that is that is, you know, something that people should, if they can aspire to, and not, you know, if you can't get to a place where you love your body, that's fine. And if body neutrality is where you want to be, that's, that's fine. Okay, so the next two together, I'm gonna put body positivity versus fitness, body positivity versus health. Okay, so
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we've kind of touched on this before, about, you know, a lot of people thinking that if you are body positive, then you really, you know, cackling at the idea of making people unhealthy.
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It's got nothing to do with health or fitness really? Well, I guess it doesn't in a way that we want fat people to be able to access
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health promoting things. And we want people to have access to fitness if they choose to engage in it. But you know, really, it's, it's not body. body positivity isn't about saying, you should never exercise again. In fact,
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terrorize people who do exercise and you should never eat anything, quote, unquote, healthy again. In fact, only lard 20 times a day, which is what some people think.
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The thing is a kind of a side effect from this stuff, is if you think that fat bodies should be treated equally, you will maybe then learn to love your own fat body, maybe not.
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And maybe you will stop engaging if you did previously, in disordered practices around health, around fitness, around food, around, sleep around stress around all the things that make up health.
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And you're able to approach it from a balanced perspective, which is more health promoting than coming into it from a disorder perspective. So, next one,
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body positivity encourages the O word. It rhymes with sublease city
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when he was actively encourages the yo word. Well, we're episode 55. Now, how many times if you've listened to the podcast before? Have you heard me say, listen up here motherfuckers. You better be fat. You better be working on getting fatter every time you listen to this podcast. If you don't, at the end of this podcast, go out there and make sure that you are fat, then you're dead to me. Come on now. Come on everyone. Let's do it. Let's make the world a filled with fat people. Fuck all those then people let's let's let's find ways to secretly make them fat. How many times have you heard me say that? Every podcast episode? Yeah, I know. I know. But no, never. Never. body positivity says hey, don't treat people like shit. When you treat fat people, anyone actually when you studies show that when you shame people about their body size and what they eat, they become fatter.
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We are saying let's not shame people. And so go. We're doing the opposite. Yeah, obviously, that's not we're thinking. We're not thinking, let's make people secretly thinner. But
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literally, what we're doing is saying, let's just not be massive balance. Okay, next one. body positivity has lost all meaning. Yeah, pretty much. Yep. And has is pretty lost much lost or meaning. Yeah, I would. I would. Yeah. Cuz I would say if you go on the street, and you ask people what is body positive activity?
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You know, everyone would say oh, it's about loving your body. Next, body positivity jobs.
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Are there body positivity jobs out there? Well, yes. I mentioned earlier that
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you know, my assistant is helping me out. So I have two people two team members in in, infest fatty and so they are dealing in kind of this stuff. And there's other companies that do
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we'll employ people, and you can start your own thing, or a lot of this stuff is, is being in the mental health field, or being an activist, or being an educator or a writer or you know, talking about this stuff. But there's not there's not like a, you know, a career path, you know, that set out because all this stuff is so new, which is so cool that this stuff is, is changing. And we can create ourselves jobs and make a website in 10 minutes really easily. Even in the time that I've been doing this stuff, it's flabbergasting, how much things have changed. And I've been doing this stuff for six, seven years. But just an FYI, FYI, now,
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starting your own business online, don't listen to all of these sleazy, slimy, online marketers who were like, buy my program. And next month, you'll be making $500,000. Even if you have no people in your life, and you know, you only have one follower, and it's your mom, you just buy my program and you'll be a millionaire by Tuesday. Those. That's not true. That ain't true. And a lot of times, when you know, these online marketers, they say, Oh, here's a testimonial from a person who joined my program. And then three minutes later, there are millionaire a lot that person who, you know, maybe if it is true that three minutes later, they're a millionaire. What we don't know is they spent 10 years getting to that point.
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Yeah, so
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yeah, it's hard work. Having people think or having an online business is really easy to make money. The truth is, it most people fail. Because
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you have to, you have to do all of the things that you were saying a company say if you don't like sales, if you have an online business, you have to do sales. If you don't like marketing, you have to do marketing. If you don't like talking to people, you have to talk to people, if you don't, you know you have to do all of those things. And it's hard. But if that's your thing, it's really rewarding. It's really cool. Like, I love what I'm doing. I've been doing it for what, six, seven years, and I'm still working at it. You know, I'm no millionaire. Unless someone wants his Pay Pal me a million dollars. Come on now I'm waiting for it.
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But yeah, just like an FYI. I've been. I've been listening to because you know, I love like online. I don't know if you do but I love
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it. Keeping up with all the gossip in the online marketing arena and who's doing what and, and all that type of stuff, who's who's who's a scammer and all that type of stuff. And
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there's one person who I love, Maggie. I think her handle is more small business boss on Instagram. And I just listened to an episode yesterday about how she's like, helping people to not be sleazy online marketers and
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using unethical tactics and whatnot. And she's doing a lot of exposing of these people and it's really interesting.
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Anyway, yeah, and something that she was talking about was, you know,
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join my program and you'll be a millionaire in 17 seconds and, and people will believe it. You know, especially if there's a testimonial or when she says a lot of testimonials are fake. I'm really surprised by that, because I would never consider making up a fake testimonial. It would never it doesn't it wouldn't even cross my mind. And when she was telling me that because I was messaging her on Instagram. She's telling me that I was like, what? People already do that like I thought yeah, of course like the super super unethical, slimy people do but apparently
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some of them monoline people do too.
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I'm surprised by it.
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Okay, so body positivity jobs.
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Not really, but yeah, me kind of make it yourself. Final one body positivity movement spokesperson, I found this really interesting. I was like, surprised that people would want to know if there was a spokesperson because I thought well, obviously there isn't. There isn't. There is no one single person that owns body positivity. There's not one single person who started it.
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There is not one single person who was a spokes person, which is really cool because you can become a spokesperson, anyone which and also is really scary because anyone can become a spokesperson and be like, hey, buddy positivity is all about diets or, you know, or like a company like Weight Watchers who were like, hey, now we're body positive. We're body positive, give us your money and we'll help you lose weight jokes, jokes. J
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If they work
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yeah, so they are the Google shaming me gigs that I thought that you might find interesting.
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Yeah, if you want to go and find out a phrase and learn what people are questioning about that phrase and then you can go to what was that called again? Answer the public.com It's free for the first three searches. I'm not an affiliate for them. Just something that I used in using you know, getting ideas to
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ideas in my brain. Jana Jana Anna, I really do well hasn't been too noisy today wallahs face rubbing and give foreing and snorting and all the other shit that he's been doing. Thank you for hanging out with me today. It's been a slice is really cool that you listen to the podcast, I really appreciate it. And then people send me messages saying hey, I like the podcast. And I'm like, wow, people listening to the podcast is amazing. Oh my gosh.
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So yeah, thank you for being here. I really appreciate it. If you want to listen to more podcasts that I've been on on more things that I've been on because you're so obsessed with me. Oh my god. Then go to face value.com forward slash media for links to blog posts, podcasts of other people's that have been on videos, you know, because I'm a celebrity.
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My mum thinks I am. Because I'm a major Thawne Marber then you can watch
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go and see the things that I've been on if you want or not whatever God I'm not gonna tell you what to do going on. Okay, well I'm stay fair spatty And I will see you later. Crocodile Have a great rest of your day. I get by
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thanks for listening to the episode and if you feel ready to get serious about this work and want to know when the doors open to fears fatty Academy which is my signature program, where I teach all about how to overcome your fat phobic beliefs and learn to love your fat body, then go to first fatty.com forward slash waitlist again that is fierce fatty.com forward slash waitlist to get your name on the waitlist. For when first party Academy my signature program opens.